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Ron Paul Revolution?
(promoted by Soren. I think that this is tremendously important and that there is more for our party to gain by figuring out how to embrace Ron Paul supporters, although I confess to not knowing what that will really mean. Again, looking for thoughts.)
We all know the kind of success Ron Paul had during the presidential primaries: he organized a legion of followers with unparalleled levels of commitment and passion, not to mention outfundraising nearly every other Republican candidate. By the same token, he never translated his organization into electoral victory. But it's become apparent to me recently that the Ron Paul revolution is alive and well, and the implications could be far-reaching for the GOP.
Last weekend, at the Virginia state GOP convention, unknown delegate Bob Marshall came within just a few votes of defeating former Governor Jim Gilmore for the nomination to run for U.S. Senate. While some of Marshall's success stemmed from Gilmore's less-than-pure abortion stance, and far better organization on Marshall's part, Marshall also capitalized on the under-the-radar efforts of the Paul campaign to take over state, district and county parties. As a voting delegate to the convention, I received mailers from Marshall attacking Gilmore for his ties to the Council on Foreign Relations, and he also implied that Gilmore supported a "North American Union." Nothing in Marshall's career suggests that he's ever been active on those sorts of issues, but he clearly saw them as a way to stimulate the Paul followers and it paid off. Gilmore, who went in expected to walk away with a 60-65% victory, won the nomination by less than 1%.
In VA-8 (my district), Amit Singh, who has been endorsed by Ron Paul and reaped benefits financially, faces social conservative Mark Ellmore in a primary this Tuesday, June 10th. Needless to say the results of this primary are worth watching. While it's unlikely either candidate will be able to defeat Jim Moran in November, the primary will be another indicator of whether the Ron Paul revolution may in fact change the Republican Party.
Paul is a little out there for me, but I think it's fair to say that Ron Paul Republicanism is just about the only kind of Republicanism that's thriving at the moment. Has Ron Paul reshaped the party? Will Ron Paul-lite candidates succeed in 2008 and beyond? Does the GOP only borrow a few thoughts from the Paul crowd and discard the rest, or return to its pre-internationalist past? The world wonders...
- Tom Readmond's blog
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We'll know (at least in Virginia)
By how well Amit Singh does Tuesday. Singh's running as basically a Ron Paul Republican without Ron Paul's insanity.
There's something a bit offputting about Paul and his supporters
and I say this living in a town where a huge Paul fanatic is an elected official (and blogger).
Much of the Paul support comes from techies who are extremely cutting edge. They do not wait for government solutions since they are accustomed to finding their own. They most certainly do not consider themselves retro in any sense.
But much of the Paul agenda amounts to a repudiation of about 80 years of American foreign and fiscal policies. The Federal Reserve Board has been around since 1913. The income tax dates from this period as well. Woodrow Wilson whether wisely or not committed the U.S. to military intervention in Europe. Federal food and drug inspections,, et al, all predated even the New Deal.
I'm sure the Paul supporters will argue these were all mistakes. But there are two problems. One is the ideological one that in a sense ripping up 75 years of settled policies is not "conservative". The second problem is that NATO, central banking et al is now the "installed base" of the postindustrial world. Any effort to abandon these practices would produce incompatibility with our traditional trading and security partners, as well as huge levels of domestic economic dislocation.
Perhaps the brilliant minds behind the Paul effort can answer the question : How does 21st Century America work if we go back to 19th Century institutions? I suspect rather than sitting down and drawing up a practical alternative agenda we will be treated to a dissertation about obscure intellectual authors and how anyone who fails to grasp their brilliance is simply too dumb to make it work.
Or like my local officeholder, who's default position is "well, you know he really wants to follow the Constitution" Thankfully, that is not how he campaigns at the Dunkin Donuts.
19th Century Economic Policies
I suspect rather than sitting down and drawing up a practical alternative agenda we will be treated to a dissertation about obscure intellectual authors. . .
Whether you know it or not, many of Ron Paul's economic policies are favored by many in the financial community, who thoroughly understand the ramifications of our current central banking system. Here are but a few clips from CNBC, a pretty main stream financial network, where people who have made a lot of money are essentially suggesting we go back to 19th century institutions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8teEHdCrFqE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTXEWh2yT_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgPZkYDu1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlACZtfnb8
While you may not completely understand all of the economic policies Ron Paul advocates, it doesn't take much to understand that people whose job it is to make money based on the economy support Ron Paul. It is especially telling when traders on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade cheer when Ron Paul criticizes the Federal Reserve.
Several other people who have advocated a return to 19th century economic policies include Alan Greenspan and Milton Friedman, a Nobel prize winning economist who greatly influenced some of the policies of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher and at one time endorsed Ron Paul for congress. Did you know that Alan Greenspan had actually written a book about going back to the gold standard early on in his career and that for much of his time at the helm of the Fed he kept the money supply in check with the gold market?
I also heard Ben Stein briefly talk positively about Ron Paul's economic stance in an interview with Glenn Beck. Also, I have been noticing more and more mention of abolishing the Fed as we know it in articles written on main stream financial sites such as money.com.
So if all of these people are esoteric and obscure to you, than I don't have much else to say. You may not like all or parts of his foreign and domestic policy , but you can't deny that when it comes to economics, he knows what he is talking about. All of these same people above by in large part vote Republican (at least Republicans are somewhat pro capitalism when compared to the Dems) and should not be ignored. If they are and the Libertarians eventually put up a good candidate, you may actually see a large exodus of people Republicans currently count on to win general elections.
There's a huge difference between running the Fed properly
and not having a Fed at all to run.
Certainly trying to maintain a level money supply is an appropriate strategy for a central bank. But perhaps you are not aware of Friedman and Greenspan's analysis of the Great Depression. What occurred then is there was massive deflation of commodity and asset prices and the Fed--perhaps due to the existence of the gold standard----sat and watched like an eyewitness to a Hartford hit-and-run. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Monetary_History_of_the_United_States%2C_1867-1960
Inflation is always a monetary phenomenom. So is deflation. Without a mechanism to reflate the economy in such circumstances we will see much sharper boom and bust cycles which ala 1932, will result in the decimation of the party in power at the time they occur.
I am not dismissing many of the sentiments of Paul and his supporters. Incorporating them in a realistic attainable 21st century package was not part of his 2008 platform.
I respectfully disagree
Incorporating them in a realistic attainable 21st century package was not part of his 2008 platform
This statement shows how little you actually know about Ron Paul's actual policies. As with everything, if you take everything you learn about a candidate from Fox News or any of the other news outlet, all you will get is some ridiculous soundbite that takes a statement way out of context.
While Ron Paul advocates eventually abolishing the Fed, he realizes that this would never happen overnight. As such, he advocates allowing the legalization of other currencies that could compete with the dollar, that people could use as an alternative when inflation is killing the value of the dollar as it is now:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2008/cr021308h.htm
The idea of competing currencies is actually not new and was first advocated by Friedrich Hayek, another Nobel laureate in economics:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/brimelow3.html
If competing currencies were allowed, the dollar would probably go by the wayside as people would realize that a currency backed by nothing is only worth as good as the paper it is printed on. We're already seeing this as serious investors are shying away from dollar backed stocks and putting their money into commodities, that while still valued in terms of dollars, act as a quasi-currency for the wealthy. This is a small contributor in my opinion to the steady rise in fuel and food prices as of late.
So in other words, Ron Paul's competing currency policy would actually allow free-market forces to determine which currency is the best. This would probably make the Fed insignificant (though you would also have to do away with their ability to manipulate interest rates which Milton Friedman argues are a reason for hypothetically abolishing the Fed - http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2006/Friedmantranscript.html). If the Fed were rendered insignificant, what would be the point of keeping them around. I love how some Republicans claim to be advocates of free-market policies yet don't even understand how they actually side with the Keynsians.
As usual, people don't want to have to think about what the government is doing. That is why we have resorted to soundbites rather than actually reading about what somebody's policies actually are.
competing currencies?
Lew Rockwell's web site?
Yep, this isn't the economics I learned at a major American university.
As I noted, you have to deal with the installed base of the world financial system. Esoteric theories won;t work. As a practical matter, one reason the Euro was introduced was to do exactly the opposite of this---avoid friction losses by creating a standard currency throughout the EU thus promoting the free flow of commerce.
I stand by my contention that Paul advocates the application of 19th Century institutions to 21st Century problems. And that's my conclusion, not some prepackaged opinion served up by the Big Media.
Ron Paul Effect
Perhaps Ron Paul’s group and website could be our moveon.org. Though extreme by most standards, moveon has worked for the Democrats.
Paul's connections
There are some admirable things about the Paul campaign. The way he went from obscure long-time congressman to garner a cult-like following of devoted supporters, raised gobs of money, mostly online, and never backed down from his somewhat odd set of beliefs.
But had he ever become someone who crawled up the leaderboard (for all his fans and money, he has a total of 29 delegates!), people would have seen some scary skeletons. First off, his direct family members received a good chunk of money from his campaign. Paul is an all-out conspiracy theorist, especially with the insane North American Union. I'm not entirely sure where he stands on 9/11, I don't think he's a complete nut, but I believe he thinks our government at least should be investigated.
The most concerning association is certainly his connection with American Free Press, the Nazi newspaper in America. He has long written a column for them. Not all Ron Paul supporters are Nazi's, but all American Nazi's are Ron Paul supporters.
All this doesn't even the mention things that don't fit with current conservatism, especially the isolationist foreign policy, as Tom points out in his post. There are some rules of conservatism that can be bent a bit, but peace through strength is not one of them.
That said, Republicans should welcome Paulistians and try to bend (not outright change, we don't want or need a homogeneous party) their values closer to ours. They certainly ought to vote R, their beliefs are much more in line with conservatives, and a 3rd party vote is stupid waste of time.
Earth to Zarco
Ron Paulians are really Democrats. Not just Democrats but, Moonbats.They won't follow anyone that doesn't blame America first,denounce the GOP as a lost cause or blathers on and on and on about the Gold Standard. Forget about those people, they are voting for Obama now along with Davidfarrar.
Ron Paul Republicans
Why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge that a lot of Ron Paul's support actually does come from long time Republicans? I am a Ron Paul supporter who has been a registered Republican my entire life and have never ever voted for a Democrat (though I will vote for a Libertarian every once in a while). In fact, I voted for Bush both in 2000 and 2004. I have even worked on the campaigns of Republicans in the past and am doing so now. I will not vote for Obama because he is a socialist and is completely opposite of my beliefs. For Czarmangis to suggest that I am a Democrat is ridiculous.
Most of the Ron Paul supporters I know of actually have been registered Republicans for a long time but are fed up with the party actually ignoring the conservative economic part of their platform. For many of us, fiscally conservative policies are the most important. We understand that for all of McCain's griping on pork barrel spending, he is not a true fiscal conservative. The money we spend on government beauracracy and entitlements is way more than pork projects ever will be.
With that being said, the current Republican party better get their act together and fast. There are too many of us out there for them to ignore. Many of the people I know of are still clinging to the Republican party by bare threads and are looking more towards the Libertarian and Constitution parties. This point is particullarly important when you look at the number of young people involved with the Ron Paul campaign. These people are the future and see that they are getting ripped off with excessive borrowing from foreign countries to support entitlment programs that are going to be dumped in their laps.
As a final point, I find it interesting that people are suggesting that these rifts in the Republican party are a relatively new phenomenon. How quickly people forget the division between the conservative Goldwater Republicans and the moderate Rockefeller Republicans in '64. There literally was an outright "war" between these two factions at the Presidential nominating convention. It was Ronald Reagan who brought these groups together and it is going to take somebody like him again to usher in a new Republican era.
Thank you for writing this
I think that a lot of Republicans, myself included, have trouble understanding the Ron Paul thing. The guy is clearly crazy nuts. But he did articulate some conservative arguments more clearly -- more "bold colors" -- that had been articulated in a while.
But the problem is that it was bottled up with the North American Union stuff, and the crazy anti-war stuff, and so much else.
A lot of us suspect that the bad stuff drove substantially more energy than the good stuff.
So how can we reach out to Ron Paul people on the good issues and get people who basically agree with us? Obviously, part of the issue is bieng better on small government stuff is part of the answer.
well here's a path to follow
It would be a lot easier to build a coalition for competing forms of social security and health insurance than one based on competing currencies.
Since politics is the art of the possible, the question that Paul supporters ought to ask is: what is in their platform that would be the most realistic to achieve? What harkens back to the classic Goldwater/Reagan approach that fits the party's narrative? How does one pitch this based on concepts in the pop culture, not classical theories? What incremental steps can be taken towards a larger goal?
There's room to work with here.
$7.00 per gallon gas and Ron Paul.
The only real reason why we will be paying $7.00 per gallon for gass this summer is because our government has been printing money without a solid backing. Somebody had beeter start listening to Ron Paul an soon.
ex animo
davidfarrar
Singh Loses Big
Elmore beats him by ten. Does that say anything about Paul's revolution? Could it be that Paul is a staunch pro-lifer as well as a libertarian?