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Comparing Obama's energy plan
Barack Obama's budget proposal pays for a healthcare plan -- we don't know yet what the plan is -- with a carbon tax. Really.
Obama's budget proposes a health care reform fund that would cost $635b over 10 years. Obama also proposes a cap-and-trade system that would generate $640b in revenue over 10 years.
So Obama wants to fund universal healthcare with a tax on carbon, wtih some administrative stuff on the other side to make the tax more complicated and harder for business to negotiate.
It is worth putting this in comparative perspective. Al Gore and the Liberal Party of Canada both had proposals for a carbon tax.
Gore proposed replacing the payroll tax with a carbon tax. The Tax Foundation noted Gore's striking language at the time:
Former Vice President Al Gore has a novel approach for dealing with global warming: tax carbon dioxide emissions instead of employees’ pay.
“Penalizing pollution instead of penalizing employment will work to reduce that pollution,” Gore said Monday in a speech at New York University School of Law.
The carbon tax would replace all payroll taxes, including those for Social Security and unemployment compensation, Gore said. He said the overall level of taxation, would remain the same.
Obviously, this never came to a vote, but the idea has garnered some significant intellectual support. George W. Bush's Chairman of Economic Advisors, Greg Mankiw, supports a stimulus that would replace the payroll tax with a gasoline tax.
In a meaningful sense, using the revenue to create universal healthcare is signficantly to the left of using it to lower the tax burden of all Americans.
Contrast it with the proposal of the Liberal Party of Canada, which proposed the "Green Shift", moving into the last election:
At the heart of the energy plan is an energy tax on carbon fuels, which will be based on consumption.
New taxes are expected to generate about $15.4 billion annually in revenue in four years. But the Liberals say their plan will be revenue neutral because it will cut income taxes and increase family support payments.
Dion said his plan is "as powerful as it is simple."
"The Liberal Green Shift will cut taxes on those things we all want more of -- such as income, investment and innovation -- and shift those taxes to what we all want less of: pollution, greenhouse gas emissions and waste."
However, the Conservative Party of Canada successfully branded this idea, the "permanent tax on everything", and this issue was part of the reasons that the LPC lost the most recent election there and Stephane Dion, its primary advocate, was forced to step down as party chair.
So let's make this really clear. Obama's plan is significantly to the left of something that failed miserably in Canada. How's it going to play in the states?
As always, Newt Gingrich is leading the way on messaging:
"Let me get this straight," said Gingrich. "We're not going to raise tax on anybody making under $250,000 a year unless you use electricity. And we are not going to raise taxes on anybody under $250,000 a year unless you buy gasoline. And we are not going to raise taxes on anybody who makes under $250,000 a year unless you buy heating oil. And we're not going to raise taxes on anybody who earns less $250,000 a year unless you use natural gas."
"And I try to think to myself," he added, "even in the left wing of the Democratic Party, where there are some people who are fairly unusual, how many of them don't use heating oil, natural gas, gasoline or electricity?"
If Obama is lying like this, and the left couldn't win a fight significantly to the right of this one in Canada with a significantly healthier economy, I think that we can win this fight here.
- Soren Dayton's blog
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A significantly healthier economy. . . .
And why is that, I wonder?
Already and tried and failed
Newt Ginrich isn't "leading the way" on messaging on this - John McCain's campaign also tried to characterize cap-and-trade as a tax on energy. And how well did that work out?
Interesting Take
Interesting analysis, but being a Canadian having lived in the United States for the last 10 years, I was under the impression that the Liberal party in Canada failed because Dion's english was not good, and was successfully ridiculed for it, tarring all ideas (whether they were good or bad is not my call) in the process. That and 15 years of Liberal party rule resulted in incredible corruption, resulting in very real anger from Canadian voters now, and into the future.
My question to conservatives and liberals, though, is what do you really have for and against universal health care, and why is actually paying for it a good or bad thing? Having lived half my life with it, and not knowing anybody in Canada who has lost everything due to the crippling costs associated with catastrophic disease, and knowing some here who have, I just can't in good conscience oppose universal health care, as even the worst program has got to be better than what we all deal with now in the United States. We are the most prosperous country in the world, and we can't even keep our citizens alive without bankrupting them? Even if it means new taxes, and honestly, I'm with you guys, the last thing this country needs is additional burden on the middle class, it seems worth the cost. Please convince me otherwise, I will listen.
We are going to have "universal" care.
But is it going to be a good plan or a bad one? The devil is in the details. We WON'T win elections by standing athwart history yelling STOP!
We CAN determine whether it will work for most Americans or be Medicaid/Medicare MINUS.
As a liberal, I'm for
As a liberal, I'm for universal health care. But if i were a conservative, my critique of the current system would be why in God's name does an employer need to pay employee health insurance? I thought the purpose of running a business was to make a profit, not perform some social function. That the Right has been complicit in laying this burden on the business seems vaguely "socialist."
Tying health benefits to employment does nothing but binds one's physical well-being to the whims of the employer. Talk about hindering the free flow of labor in the marketplace. And yet I rarely hear this critique from the Right.
It would rather focus on the fear that someone out there is getting a benefit that I'm paying for than on the seeing it as a further extension of freedom. And then you get an economic downturn like the one we are experiencing now and a whole bunch of formerly middle class people find themselves within a hair of financial ruin and the stakes become clearer.
And the Right's answer? Tax cuts.
Now, I do not blame Obama for
Now, I do not blame Obama for the 'pork', it's just he was avocating a pork-free diet to our government. Oh, I have heard evlilik them say that it's not nearly the size of the one those bad old Bush cronies put in the last time. Yeah, right! oyun
Pessimist
Obama did not say the last part. It's a coincidence that the numbers are roughly the same.
Obama ran on cap and trade, and an aggressive response to global warming. He also ran on universal health care. Voters endorsed both in the election (and they both poll well over 50% today). The only surprising thing is that unlike Bush and Clinton, Obama is taking his campaign promises seriously.
Yes it's going green will cost. But people realize that the status quo costs more -- climate change, im-balance of payments, dependence on Middle East oil (and the Triillon dollar wars that go with that).
A pessimist is someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
What failed in Canada? Dion? Yes--he can't speak English.
Universal health insurance--still there.
As I understand it
The idea behind cap-and-trade is to allow builders to recoup some of their costs for the construction of new power plants.
As far as that goes, it's a good idea.
You have super-critical coal-fired plants going up all over the owrld right now because of breakthroughs in technology that have occured over the last 20 yrs. Japan is building them. Europe is building them.
In the US, people don't want more efficient technologies. They are much happier with power plants built in the 30's, 40's, and 50's, that were designed with a 50-yr lifespan.
They're happy with the parts from Nazi Germany stamped with the swastika in operating power plants in Alabama.
"Let us confront our energy problems by driving Model T's," they say.
To hell with them.
On the other end, in order to take those old power plants out of service, there has to be a new one built. No new power plant, then no old power plant getting chopped up and sent to Venezuela.
I can't help but think that those utility companies realize that it is in their best interests to build a new plant somewhere. But for some reason, they're not doing it.
I don't think that penalizing them at the front end of the construction is going to help matters a whole lot.
Seems more like it would help those companies which already have projects underway more than anything.
The logic seems to imply that people drive around in old beaters because they have an affinity for jalopies. I'm thinking that the cost of a new car might have something to do with it.
1 Serving of Liberalism, please. Heavy on the Pork Reins
EEEEEK!
To steal a line from Dana Carvey: 'Well, isn't that special!' Just when you thought 'change' was around the corner, up crops up a heaping plate of pork onto the Stimulus Plan! Well folks, you voted for it and now you got it! Now, I do not blame Obama for the 'pork', it's just he was avocating a pork-free diet to our government. Oh, I have heard them say that it's not nearly the size of the one those bad old Bush cronies put in the last time. Yeah, right!
What conservatives need to do at this point, is to never forget this. Keep reminding your liberal friends and liberal congress that this happened within two months after the administration being sworn it! DO NOT LET THEM FORGET! THEY misled us. And they will suffer during re-election. Regardless we withdrawel out of Iraq or not, people vote with their pocketbooks. Always have, and always will!
"Obama's plan is
"Obama's plan is significantly to the left of something that failed miserably in Canada. How's it going to play in the states?"
I guess like most things, only time will tell, but with it being branded the "permanent tax on everything", it's not something that I look forward to.
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Building of a pipeline
Building of a pipeline 642-453. That’s it? So basically, waste more resources trying to build it, and we may not know whether it is even present in sufficient amounts. Although a cap and trade system may not be best in terms of meeting our energy needs, it provides a stable platform for a more energy-efficient JN0-303 future as well as securing the more important long term effects. Palin is the spokesperson for the non-delayed gratifiees; and her audible voice makes America take a turn towards medival Bushism.I guess being President of the US is something like be an OP Ed contributor, except with 70-447 A C T U A L responsiblities.
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