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Rush Limbaugh for the New York Times Op-Ed Page
Let me first state that I don't particularly care who writes for the New York Times op-ed page, and think all the handwringing about who will replace Bill Kristol is a collosal waste of time for conservatives. I long ago stopped reading the editorial pages, and rely mostly on RSS and the news section for my daily fill of politics. If I ever want opinion, which is a rarer and rarer thing in a media environment that prizes raw information, I read the smart blogs on highly relevant topics, like Marginal Revolution.
I will, however, say this about the selection process for the New York Times op-ed page.
The goal of conservative new media should not be to legitimize the status quo in media, but to challenge it and shift the balance of power. To hang on the prestige of a Times appointment is a mostly useless exercise by navel-gazing pundits whose sole concern is accurately describing the status quo, not moving the ball forward.
Doubly disturbing is the notion that the Times' token conservative should be someone who is acceptable to sensibility of liberal (and hence more civilized) Times readers; that only a certain type of conservative will do -- a "smart," "reasonable" figure worthy of dining with President Obama.
I have a great deal of respect for Bill Kristol and David Brooks (or for that matter, Charles Krauthammer and George Will), but they play a very defined role in the process -- which is to represent a safe flavor of Beltway-centric conservatism that is acceptable within the Acela corridor. I appreciate that someone has to play this role, but by engaging in this parlor game, we are playing with fire: feeding the left's desire to elevate a narrow elite of Times-worthy conservative pundits whose job it is to hold the braying Coulterite masses in check.
We shouldn't play this game. Either we engage the liberal media on our terms or on none at all. The Times needs someone who is as far to the right, in as hard-edged and partisan a way, as Paul Krugman is to the left. The fact that strident left-wing voices one step voice up from Kos appear on the op-ed page is not considered a problem, so why shouldn't the same be true on the right? Perhaps it would be better if both sides' columnists were as reasonable and fair-minded as Brooks and Kristol. But if the Times continues to select liberal columnists who are locked and loaded for bear, we should accept nothing less for the right. To wit, the Times should pick Rush Limbaugh or a comparable full spectrum heartland conservative who defended Palin. Someone who would shock the Upper East Side, not reinforce its worldview in subtle ways. If not Rush, then Steyn or Lileks or someone with the intestinal fortitude for a fight.
- Patrick Ruffini's blog
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Thomas Sowell
I've always thought Sowell would be perfect for this role. He could take on Krugman on economics and Herbert on Race.
That'll never happen.
So yes, the almighty MaHaRushie for the NYT indeed!
Naw, only one man for this job
Karl Rove
He's already @ WSJ...
...that's good enough. I'd rather give Sowell the extra visiblity. Sowell would give the drive by's fits!!!
Karl doesn't have enough readers at the Journal
spitting or puking their lattes into the paper!
I have to say I agree.
Coach Hire Birmingham
Tony Blankley?
I work with him at Edelman and certainly don't speak for him. But he would fit the bill, that's for sure.
AS IF
Rush wouldn't take it, peeps. I nominate Ramesh Ponnuru.
Sowell...
would be fantastic. so would Ponnuru, or Goldberg, or Steyn. But none of them will get the job--if any conservatie gets it, it'll be a Brooks lite.
Douthat
...would make me happy.
A REAL Conservative
We need a REAL conservative there - along the lines of "Mr. Republican," Robert Taft. We need RON PAUL.
Prediction
The NYT will never choose anyone who opposes illegal activity. Rush apparently opposes illegal immigration, but he came to the issue late AFAIK. Douthat is yet another tool who has no knowledge of these issues.
Rush wasn't too opposed
To popping pills, if I recall. And how did he obtain them? ILLEGALLY! *gasp* I guess he didn't oppose that illegal action too much.
I'm not a big fan of Sowell. I'd like to read Ron Paul, or George Will. Bill Kristol's main problem is that he is consistently wrong on major issues. What of this summer, when he flipflopped on the Palin issue?
Yeah, blacks are better off on Welfare...
...can't have any of those off message black conservatives around.
I don't care what his color is
I just don't think Sowell is a particularly good writer. I've never been very enthused or convinced by anything he's written. Maybe once I've finished an article and reflected... but that's about it.
no to ron paul
I think he'd distract Krugman too much. ;-) [is Krugman the most impatient nobelprizewinner ever?]
I'd be worried about Douthat
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a brilliant guy and a great writer. But did you read his recent book? He has some, um, "interesting" conservative ideas. One policy idea that he proposes for Republicans are wage subsidies. Wage subsidies? What? As a Republican policy? Umm, no. So my thinking is that Douthat is the type of conservative that the NY Times folks can get along with, which is why he'd be a poor choice.
The Big Fat Idiot.
Here's the problem:
We shouldn't play this game. Either we engage the liberal media on our terms or on none at all. The Times needs someone who is as far to the right, in as hard-edged and partisan a way, as Paul Krugman is to the left.........
I fogot...
...about the legendary accuracy of the New York Times.
Loss of Respect
I subscribe to The NextRight to see what the other side is thinking (you might have guessed that from my name - but then there were plenty of folks from the entire political spectrum who thought the same thing about W). I've held NextRight and its contributors at a pretty high level of respect since the entries here tend to be well thought out, with a cetain level of logic behind them. I may not agree with them, but I respected the thought process behind them.
But this entry give me great pause about Mr. Ruffini. Why? One line shoots my respect for him to heck: "I have a great deal of respect for Bill Kristol ...(or for that matter, Charles Krauthammer...)".
Bill Kristol is so off the wall, and so wrong so often, that he should be writing fiction instead of behing held at any level of regard as an analyst or leader of political thought. Charles Krauthammer is the biggest tool of the corrupt GOP leadership that brought us the eight years of W hell. He repeated whatever W's hacks said so often that I've started calling him Polly. My local newspaper used the term "Grand Old Parrot" for a letter I wrote requesting they replace CK with a conservative pundit who was capable of independent thought.
Torture? CK: "TORTURE!"
Invade Iraq? CK: "INVADE IRAQ!"
Invade Iran? CK: "INVADE IRAN!"
Unregulated markets will police themselves? CK: "ABSOLUTELY NO REGULATION!"
Democrats are fiscally irresponsible and Republicans are fiscal gods (ignore the GOP's record deficits and record spending and failure to even try to match revenue with expenditures)? CK: "All those Dems want to do is spend money! WE are doing the RIGHT THING by cutting taxes during the time of war, outspending ANY other administration, recording record deficits, and destroying the financial stability of the US! Doubt our wisdom? YOU MUST BE FRENCH!"
Here's your cracker, Polly.
Limbaugh couldn't survive
People scritinize NYTimes op/eds. Blogs are full of "fact checks". Krugman us subject to more than anyone on the planet, as the post below this one illustrates. That post shows that Krugman survives because his facts are mostly correct. In that case, the conservative agreed Krugman two out of three ttimes. (On the third, economists left and right support Krugman too, but that's not the point here.)
Limbaugh, on the other hand, is wrong almost all the time. People don't bother debunkig him anymore.
As of last week, the NYTimes had three conservatives -- Kristol, Brooks, Friedman.
We shouldn't even be wasting our time with the Times
If we're going to be serious about winning the battle that's currently raging for ideological (and economic, social, etc) control of this country, one of our primary goals (along with taking back the educational system) needs to be destroying the liberal stranglehold on the mainstream media. A big part of that is driving the New York Times into total irrelevance, or out of business.
We should just stop talking about it, stop caring about the NY Times, force it to fade away and die quietly through complete and utter lack of interest.
the fact that both liberals and conservatives
consider the msm biased against them, says volumes about where the msm is.
false equivalence
The difference is, conservatives complain about liberal MSM bias because it refuses to report honestly and fairly on mainstream conservative ideas, but liberals complain about alleged "conservative" MSM bias because it refuses to deal with loony liberal conspiracy theories. So, the NY Times deserves a kudo for not delving into paranoid 9/11 truther conspiracy land. One kudo. Only one. That makes their net kudo total about -32,887,902,065.
ummm....? wtf?
I believe one of the problems the left has with mainstream media is that mainstream media insists on relaying opinions without giving the financial motivations of the opinionmakers.
So, say, that all the greenhouse warming deniers are paid by enron. no, the "fair and balanced" will insist on putting both sides of the story up, even when there is ABSOLUTELY no shred of scientific evidence for one side.
The right, full of itself as always, says "BUT YOU TALKED TO THEM!!!!" not just us. only Republicans deserve to be talked to, as seen on Fox and Limbaugh.
The left, full of itself as always, says "The facts belie their opinions, and doom them to preposterousness!"
ya, well, I guess there's a reason you lost the university vote.
Whatever.
http://a.abcnews.com/Technology/GlobalWarming/Story?id=4506059&page=1
Speaking of backing up your arguments with evidence, where's yours?
mine comes from a researcher friend of mine.
Works/ed for Rand, among other people. does research for all the political parties (including the Libertarians. he ain't exactly picky about who pays the bills). He did this for the Greens, and says that they were the most persnitkety, "get every little detail right" sort of folks he's ever seen. Triple checked his work, even.
It's not that I trust the Greens as far as I can stick 'em, but I trust my friend, because I know his work. He's one of the best researchers in the business, and he can smell out covert money from ten miles away, just like a hoss can smell water.
Chuck's got a point
I love going through the local Sunday paper during brunch. But the newspaper industry is dying. Does it really matter who writes for that middle-brow rag?
What the heck do you have against kos?
Sure, he's a partisan, but I think many people tend to confuse the "three recommended diaries" they read as his positions. Sure, he runs a site, and it has liberals who recommend things that say "republicans are scum, and here's your evidence."
Know what else it has?
Articles about Fly Ash from a Coal Miner
Articles about the last few Great Dyings
Pandemic Preparedness
And reasonably sane partisan political watch, akin to what's done here.
These are what gets frontpaged, what kos and his fellow co-bloggers consider to be important. They aren't exactly EVIL subjects, nor are they especially political (save the last). DailyKos makes a great resource, for problems big or small.
Joke, right?
Limbaugh and his ilk, the hate-filled, usually wrong denizens of echo chambers (Savage, Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly et al) where opposing thoughts are not permitted, are among of the reasons for the GOP decline.
They are the face of the GOP, like it or not, and their mindless hatred and screeching wrongness have driven thinking folks away from the conservatve side.
Limbaugh especially is a drug addict, convicted money launderer, deafened through drug abuse, drug smuggler and sex-tourist, who is wrong about three times as often as he is right. I wouldn't want this pervert living in my neighborhood. PLEASE DO NOT LET HIM REPRESENT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF.
If votes are the goal, the GOP needs to move away from the morons and move toward the majority of Americans. The last thing it needs to do is showcase the people who will steadily deliver 22% of the electorate, the looniest part...and drive away everyone else.
the case for Joshua Trevino
I disagree with the Limbaugh choice; if you want to provoke a fight, then why stop at Limbaugh? Get Ann Coulter. Either way you solidify the stereotype of conservatives as angry and outraged and offensive.
I think a better choice overall would be Joshua Trevino. I lay out the full case in detail in a big post at City of Brass. Yes, Josh is a friend of mine, but I think a case can be made on the merits and it is quite compelling.
Not a Joke
Unfortunately. Just to follow on what RR said, the fact that people like yourself can equate someone like Rush Limbaugh with Paul Krugman is a sad, ironic comment on the reason for the ending of the conservative movement's ascendance. You can put Maureen Dowd on the just above unthinking side of Kos level, but you can't put Kristol anywhere but just above the furthest right, least thinking parts of the conservative movement either. Krugman won a Nobel prize for God's sake. You're going to put an unthinking, braying jackass who happens to be a genius entertainer (Rush) in the same sentence? Come on...
Most progressives I know
Tend to despise M. Dowd. Have you seen her letters pages? 90% are just readers ripping on her inane and confused views.
Krugman: Limbaugh :: 'Daily
Krugman: Limbaugh :: 'Daily Kos': Dowd
Dowd is a complete joke compared to an average Kos diarist with regard to fact-based intelligent commentary (partisan or not). Maureen Dowd is not even considered as a 'progressive', let alone she being a 'thinker'. As far as the progressive netroots are concerned her columns in the NY Times' pages are a complete waste of space.
Foolishness...
Pat,
This is an extremely foolish argument. Your suggestion is that Paul Krugman is a radical. Hm... He's a liberal, true, as are a number of other economists, such as Joseph Stiglitz and Robert Kuttner. But Rush Limbaugh as your counterpunch? This suggestion is exactly what is wrong with the modern conservative movement. The U.S. electorate has really moved on from the anti-intellectualism of Limbaugh, Golberg, and other "dittoheads" (apt phrase, really) of that ilk.
Really, you can do better than this. There are far more and far better thoughtful conservatives that the NYTimes could consider. Ross Douthat of the Atlantic or Richard Posner at the University of Chicago (remember Krugman started as an occasional columnist from his academic perch) come to mind but no doubt there are more conservatives with some actual intellectual depth.
Bill Kristol, I'm sorry to say, is not among these. Unlike his great predecessor, William Safire (despite his sometimes too breezy cocktail talk opinion pieces), Kristol authored editorial after editorial rife with errors of fact and filled with prognostications (a dangerous business) that were repeatedly proven wrong.
Again, there is still too much looking backwards here at Bushbots for support rather than further back to the far more thoughtful conservativism of Barry Goldwater and Russell Kirk and even British thinker Michael Oakshott. Seriously, conservatives have to take it up a notch intellectually. The beer-drinking Bush era approach to making your case just ain't going to cut it. Nor will the name-calling anger of a Limbaugh or Coulter. Frankly, they're getting old and they have the bad habit of dumbing down their audiences.
Obama may be an egghead, but everyone is pretty much in agreement that an egghead is what we need to get us out of this mess. Conservatives need to find and nurture their own eggheads. Limbaugh is not the "conservative" version of Krugman, and to even suggest that illustrates either two things: 1) how bereft of serious intellectual heavyweights the conservative movement has become or 2) how weirdly shortsighted it has become to even compare apples with oranges in this way.
Now I know why Andrew Sullivan suffers like he does...
The Next Right has caught the msm disease...
indulging in false equivalences and stereo types?
the right words and ...
QUOTE: "...I have a great deal of respect for Bill Kristol and David Brook..." This for me is the right words and the right attitude to deal with this circumstance. This will somehow prevent communication to gone awry.
hampers