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ACORN, ACORN, ACORN
Submitted by Patrick Ruffini on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 21:19
This is a better angle than Ayers. I have been waiting for this for a while.
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Beautiful.
There's a story developing on an Ayers/ACORN connection which starts with a relationship at Columbia University and moves forward to bring Barack Obama, who had no initial ties whatsoever to Chicago, into the Windy City fully funded and ready to hit the streets as an agitator/activist. I'll provide dates and facts as they become available.
ACORN flagged the bad registrations themselves
ACORN is not under investigation. Bad registrations that they thought were questionable and customarily alerted authorities are what are under investigation.
NOT in CT
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_10685899?source=most_viewed
Remember Chris Shays was one of the few folks trying to put a lid on Fannie Mae before it went bust. The thanks he gets is having the Left try and stuff the ballot box for his opponent.
Hanlon's Razor
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
From the article you link to:
13 faulty registations out of how many? Oh the horror! And how does a creating a phony registration for a 12 year old benefit Chris Shays?
In 2004 an Republican group in Oregon got caught throwing away Democratic registrations. I didn't see it as a campaign issue or as a reason to smear George Bush. I just thought it was over enthusiastic foot soldiers and moved on.
Also note that
The investigations are into the validity of the registrations, not into ACORN.
Don't try to confuse them with the facts -
this is all they have left; they're not going to unclench their hands from these straws easily.
Agreed
The Acorn investigations are a gift horse. After 2000 the integrity of the franchise vote matters across the board.
Nobody cares about Ayers... why/ don't know, but the blinders are on.
Acorn should move independents, if not the lefties.
This needs TV buys.
McCain's future
I don't know if you're right about Acorn being an issue - given the economy and the market who really cares - and trying to blame minority residents of the US for causing a world financial meltdown is a little lame (don't you think) but you are right - very right - on one point - McCain is TOAST!
This is clearly a massive mismanagement of his campaign by a bunch of no-nothings who thought they could turn McCain into something he is not - a young man with a vigorous platform and positive outlook on life. What he is is a doddering old fool who picked a fascist for a running mate and neither of them can get out of their own way. Neither of them has the balls to sit down for a press conference (McCain 1 - Palin 0 since the summer). Palin certainly doesn't have what it takes to go on the Sunday morning talk shows and explain what she stands for because there is no there there. How about going on any network but Faux.
The Republican brand is finally meeting its ultimate comeuppance - a complete and total route in 2008. McCain, as a so-called patriot and war hero, should certainly be ashamed for the level to which his campaign has sunk. Shades of "It Can't Happen Here" (SInclair Lewis if you need the reference). Palin's race-baiting, no-nothing rhetoric is appalling to any decent, law-abiding citizen who lives in fear of the rule of the mob.
McCain should be very careful because I'm sure he doesn't want his legacy to be the only politician in recent American History to incite election violence. If he thought Bush's unfavorables have condemned him to the worst president in history slot, McCain, if he continues to countenance this behavior on the part of Palin and his campaign, will be right next to him as the worst Republican presidential candidate in our republic's history (or perhaps the worst candidate period).
This is a good start....
...now McCain/Palin need to tie Acorn and the democrat party to the mortgage crisis. Naming names. If Acorn and the democrat party go down, so will Obama. They're all tied so closely together. That is becoming clear to all. Obama is not the only legit target. Any time McCain, Palin have the opportunity they need to show that the term Obama, democrat party and acorn are all synonomous. All attached at the hip. Their socialist agenda caused this financial crisis, clearly.
I think they've done enough on the Ayers connection. Unless, that is, if Ayers can now be tied to acorn as lagomorph says. Then, yes. Stay on it. You know this is starting to take shape almost as some long planned and implemented conspiracy. Not a theory because is seems to be true. If this puzzle can be assembled and it reveals Ayers to be in this from the beginning, hand picking Obama from Columbia, grooming him, etc. Wow.
You know the average American loves a good, tangled conspiracy drama, etc. This could take hold. But it needs to take hold quickly. DD
Oh Darvin
What the hell are you talking about? "long planned and implemented strategy"??? Strategy to do what exactly? This "fraud" will lead to no fraudulent votes or very few if somehow the bozos filling out fake forms, risk a felony, and show up to vote multiple times on election day. Highly unlikely. And considering you would literally need thousands of conspirators willing to committ felonies on the off chance that the state they are voting in is seperated by a few thousand votes, this whole thing is ridiculous. Here's Josh Marshall on this:
I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.
Read the whole thing. And I'm interested in what exactly this long planned strategy is and how you see it working.
And who's doing these investigations??
"And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud."
Who's performing these studies and investigations? Lefty, biased democrats. Slanting the results in their favor to cover up what their comrades are doing. We all know the dem's win elections by these means. Thats the only way they can win. And it takes covert leadership at the top a covert organization (the real Acorn) and secret planning. Its a massive endeavor and the light is finally illuminating these cockroaches. The bitter irony is that "we" appear to be financing this crap with our tax $$!!
Lets have a little honesty, please.
DD
Grasping at
straws...oops missed one.....straw here...ooopss missed it again.....another straw....maybe if we put these two straws together stupids racists will.....oh wait never mind he is a decent person...
Bursting the ACORN Bubble
This Acorn BS makes me angry. Acorn does not engage in voter fraud in any way. Acorn pays people to collect voter registration forms. Some of the people they pay suck and collect fraudulent forms. Some of the people they approach suck and fill out fraudulent forms. Acorn then seperates the forms into 3 piles, one for good forms, one for incomplete, and one for suspicious forms. By law in most states they must turn them all over to the Secretary of State (or whoever handles voter registration). Somebody tell me what they are supposed to do about fraudulent forms filled out by some minimum wage bozo or some joker filling out Mickey Mouse as his name.
And more importantly, when you register Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse doesn't actually show up to vote. The worst thing this does is create more work for the state folks who process registration forms. So maybe Patrick, who I think is a smart guy, thinks this is a "better angle", but he can't possibly think it is a more honest angle than the Ayers crap.
Why not fight this losing battle with a little honor? Why not run on the issues conservatives actually believe in? Talk about how tax cuts will help the economy or the need to control immigration or the need to promote free trade. Be proud of what you believe in and lose like men instead of looking for "better angles". It's embarassing.
Mickey Mouse voted in Washington State
This fraudulent registration crap is NOT caught anywhere near 100%.
The Washington State election of 2004 turned up 1800 registrations-that-cast-ballots that were ruled by a court to be illegal. This wasn't anywhere near a full list - just a cross check across felons, dead people, and celebrity names. That had already voted successfully.
The election stood because no one could prove intent. Having: a massively incompetent elections department, where unsecured ballots are 'found', where individuals are entrusted to drive around with open boxes of uncounted ballots in their personal vehicles, and where the person in charge of ensuring that the numbers of incoming ballots and counted ballots admitted under oath that she just assumed they were the same - that isn't "fraud".
Really. Just deliberate and total incompetence (at a rate averaging $75k for paid positions) in the bluest county in the state.
Incredible Ad
If McCain was only allowed to run one ad for the rest of the campaign, it should be this one. Very effective and relevant to the current environment. Well done McCain, now make sure everyone sees it.
the acorn ad is a better angle against Obama
but won't move enough voters to make a significant difference. The racism inherent in this line of attack is probably too subtle to be called out. Also this line of attack provides good cover for vote suppresion activites. So I rate it mostly untrue and likely to be helpful to mccain.
Acorn and voting fraud:
The liberal but honest and thorough TPM:
ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. What's key to understand is their method. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. (It's important to note that in many of the recent ACORN cases that have gotten the most attention it's ACORN itself that has turned the people in who did the fake registrations.) These reports start buzzing through the right-wing media every two years and every time the anecdotal reports of 'thousands' of fraudulent registrations turns out, on closer inspection, to be either totally bogus themselves or wildly exaggerated. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve.
I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.
To expand on this point let me quote from Richard Hasen, one of the most experienced and concise commentators on this question, from a June 2007 column in the Dallas Morning News ...
At least in hindsight, the center's line of argument is easily deconstructed. First, arguing by anecdote is dangerous business. A new report by Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College looks at these anecdotes and shows them to be, for the most part, wholly spurious. Sure, one can find a rare case of someone voting in two jurisdictions, but nothing extensive or systematic has been unearthed or documented.
But perhaps most importantly, the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible. Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee - thanks to the secret ballot - that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate.
Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. And for what - $10? Polling-place fraud, in short, makes no sense.
The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights.
Again, there have been numerous investigations of this. Often by people with at least a mild political interest in finding wrongdoing. But they never find it. It always ends up being right-wing hype and lies. Remember, most of those now-famous fired US Attorneys from 2007 were Republican appointees who were canned after they got tasked with investigating allegations of widespread vote fraud, did everything they could to find it, but came up with nothing. That was the wrong answer so Karl Rove and his crew at the Justice Department fired them.
Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.
It's that simple.
ACORN and CRA didn't cause the financial meltdown.
From independent financial blogger Barry Ritholtz:
Let's clarify the causes of current circumstances. Ask yourself the following questions about the impact of the Community Reinvestment Act and/or the role of Fannie & Freddie:
The answer to all of the above questions is no, none, and nothing at all.
The CRA is not remotely one of the proximate causes of the current credit crunch, Housing collapse,and mortgage debacle. As I detailed in Barron's, there is plenty of things to be angry at D.C. about -- but this ain't one of them.
Ha, denial ain't just a river in Egypt!
Just because you say nay doens't make it true. In most of those cases, the answer is in fact a resounding yes. Back in the 90's, ACORN and company, would sue any bank who denied a low to a low-income person of color with lousy credit who would you expect would be denied the loan (race not being a factor) and the banks were encoruaged by the Clinton adminsitration to give these loans or else.
Rules were simply eased and not enforced. Everyone was profitting off this housing bubble and thus nothing was going to stand in their way of making a fast buck. Too bad high gas prices, rising housing prices (caused by the bubble) and a slowing economy helped caused so many to default on the mortages. We are paying the price of this so-called deregulation.
Perosnally, real deregulation would have started with abolition of these GSEs and actually getting govermnet out of the mortagage industry. Big Government and its sycophants cuased this problem so don't expect more government to fix it.
ACORN didn't force GREENSPaynrdANd
to keep interest rates irresponisbly low for almost two years to create the bubble.
They didn't force Wall Street to create dangerously risky mortagage backed securities.
They certaintly didn't force Wall Street to develop the impossible to value derivatives that were supposed to insure those securities.
They weren't suing banks to force mortagage brokers to sail through loans for high income bad credit borrowers.
The answer to everyone of the above questions was NO. Nothing that you said shows that it was yes. You did not address a single one of Ritholtz's point directly.
Your point is inconsistent. You say that the problem was that ACORN was suing to enforce the law. But then you say that the problem was that the laws weren't being enforced. And then you say that Big Government caused the problem. Since when is not enforcing financial laws a problem caused by Big Government types.
Your logical is inconsistent. But your theme is. Grasp at any fact or idea that blames the other side and hold on tight.
Let's go to the record
Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
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By David Goldstein and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail.
Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.
Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.
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Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height vrom 2004 to 2006.
Federal Reserve Board data show that:
_ More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.
_ Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
_ Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.
The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.
Conservative critics claim that the Clinton administration pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home ownership more available to riskier borrowers with little concern for their ability to pay the mortgages.
"I don't remember a clarion call that said Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster," said Neil Cavuto of Fox News.
Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.
It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.
This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.
To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.
But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.
Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.
During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.
Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.
About 70 percent of all U.S. mortgages are in this secondary mortgage market, according to the Federal Reserve.
Conservative critics also blame the subprime lending mess on the Community Reinvestment Act, a 31-year-old law aimed at freeing credit for underserved neighborhoods.
Congress created the CRA in 1977 to reverse years of redlining and other restrictive banking practices that locked the poor, and especially minorities, out of homeownership and the tax breaks and wealth creation it affords. The CRA requires federally regulated and insured financial institutions to show that they're lending and investing in their communities.
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote recently that while the goal of the CRA was admirable, "it led to tremendous pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — who in turn pressured banks and other lenders — to extend mortgages to people who were borrowing over their heads. That's called subprime lending. It lies at the root of our current calamity."
Fannie and Freddie, however, didn't pressure lenders to sell them more loans; they struggled to keep pace with their private sector competitors. In fact, their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, imposed new restrictions in 2006 that led to Fannie and Freddie losing even more market share in the booming subprime market.
What's more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don't, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.
These private non-bank lenders enjoyed a regulatory gap, allowing them to be regulated by 50 different state banking supervisors instead of the federal government. And mortgage brokers, who also weren't subject to federal regulation or the CRA, originated most of the subprime loans.
In a speech last March, Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, debunked the notion that the push for affordable housing created today's problems.
"Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans," she said. "The CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."
In a book on the sub-prime lending collapse published in June 2007, the late Federal Reserve Governor Ed Gramlich wrote that only one-third of all CRA loans had interest rates high enough to be considered sub-prime and that to the pleasant surprise of commercial banks there were low default rates. Banks that participated in CRA lending had found, he wrote, "that this new lending is good business."
Gimmicks like ACORN do not work
Patrick,
Are you ever going to learn that campaign gimmicks like whining about ACORN do not work when the candidate is an idiotic incompetent who does not understand basic economic policy.
If the Republicans had a strong, competent candidate who actually read his briefing books and actually understood them and if the election was 50/50, the gimmicks like whining about ACORN may affect a few voters.
However, as long as the Republicans continue to nominate idiots who do not understand economic and who surround themselves with staffers who are too stupid to understand economics, them please stop with the lame gimmicks.
Nice Patrick!!!
`From little ACORNS
...Oak trees grow.
Patrick, you and the GOP are about to rumble down a very troubled road.
I can understand why you and the GOP are doing this: You are beyond desperate.
But you, of all people, should realize that the end of this road is that the GOP will NEVER attract or engage Black or Latino or minority voters.
If this line of attack is allowed to go forward, the GOP will never be a force in US Politics again.
You know you're on to something
When the mighty army of the Left comes out to comment in such full and glorious force. This is going to be one hell of an interesting 3 weeks!
Amen To That!
If conservatives saw an ad Obama was running, and felt it was completely ineffective, and could even possibly backfire on him, do you really think they would deluge liberal websites to tell people how bad the ads were? Of course not, there would be dead silence. Why would you give your enemy useful advice?
Liberals are coming out of the woodwork and posting here because they're scared at how effective this line of attack really is.
A funny story along those lines
I had a friend living in Tarrytown NY in 1988 who had some free time and wanted to make a few extra bucks so, he signed up to do focus groups down in White Plains.
One such focus group tested Michael Dukakis ads. Dukakis was trying out ads lampooning Bush 41 as running a cynical campaign featuring a faux Roger Ailes.
Anyway, my friend though the ads were incredibly stupid, but since he supported Bush, he told them they were the greatest ads ever.
Well, the Dukakis team bought this nonsense, and went off to spend millions on ads which most people thought were ads the Bush campaign paid for themselves poking fun at themselves.
So, if someone praises your ads too much, be a wee bit concerned.
based on my conversations with neighbors, Mccain will make
some gains with this final round of attacks combining acorn, wright, ayers, and what ever else they have. Hoping it doesn't get too interesting (i.e. people being shot for being liberal in places like churches or political offices )
I read this site looking for understanding of conservative perspective, but rather than finding points to agree with on philosophy or policy, I find myself limited to weighing in on which smear tactics will be most effective. I am not too concerned that my insights will be used by high level campaign staffers to stage mccains comeback, as this race is too far gone. I also read to observe the effects of party loyalty on open minded reason and decency (better here than other sites I peruse) in efforts to retain these qualities in myself.
I'm not here to try to stop the attacks.
I know they are coming. That's all McCain has left. He's got nothing left on the issues.
I'm here to trying to get people to look at the facts so that during the next 8 years of the Obama presidency 20% of the electorate isn't stewing themselves into a foolish rage based on some half baked conspiracy theories.
After 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of W I just think it sucks to have a President from either party that 20% of the country has an irrational and abiding hatred of.
I also believe that we don't serve ourselves separated into our own little echo chambers. I started reading the nextright because of a thoughtful post by Patrick. I know I have blindspots and I seek out ways to minimize them.
During the financial meltdown I've made a point of reading Megan McCardle, Tyler Cowen and Barry Ritholtz. ( I just added Daniel Drezner to that list.) Well informed, super smart people all to the right of me. I know what I'm inclined to believe happened, I want to know what actually happened and push some understanding past my own filters.
If you think I'm here because I'm worried about the ACORN ad go right ahead. None of my commentary has had anything to do with my perceptions about the effectiveness of the ad. Just it's relationship to reality. I don't like ACORN. I've had some experience with them. But the voter fraud stuff is weak tea. And the CRA stuff only makes sense you really want it to.
I appreciate where you're coming from
The level of hatred that's been inspired by the partisanship I've seen ever since Watergate has become quite disturbing - I suspect that 20% is a conservative figure, but I hope I'm wrong. I have grave concerns about the nuts on both the right and the left, and I'm equally concerned about becoming one myself - or at least promoting a speculative, inflammatory and nutty point of view because it can be very tempting to do so unless I seriously detach and observe only what is known. While I'm convinced that the ACORN conversation is relevant and I hope to lay out my argument in favor of that point of view in a separate post, I'm quite relieved to see that McCain is insisting people stand down who are revving up the fever pitch at his rallies with racist overtones and conflating Obama with terrorism. That's really not the Republican Party I want to be associated with, and I'm quite certain that's what Christopher Buckley meant when he wrote this of his father, William F. Buckley, 'Dear Pup once said to me, "You know, I've spent my entire life separating the Right from the kooks"'.
I believe there is something extraordinarily interesting going on with the Obama-ACORN-Ayers story, but it needs to be extremely well understood, well proven, and well documented. I hold conservative journalists as well as the liberal media responsible for avoiding the hard work of connecting the dots with a few courageous and dedicated exceptions who have most likely published too little, too late. Once it is understood, this story will either disturb people, inspire them, or simply vex them with too many details. Nevertheless, it should be told.
McCain picks now to worry about fake documents
After McCains constant pandering to illegal aliens who are in the U.S. with stolen identities and fake document, The Republicans pick one month before the election to start worrying about forged documents.
Where was McCain and the Bush Administration when 20 million illegal aliens were fording documents. I guess forged documents are OK is it means more servants and cheaper dry wall. But let the elite face the down side of forged documents and the get upset.
Maybe if the Republicans had trying being conservative for the last eight years the would not be in such a bad state of affiairs that the have to worry about ACORN. I guess McCain and his staffers are too stupid to see that they are the problem with the campaign.
Seriously?
Are people here actually trying to make the argument that ACORN is the victim in all of this? I gotta give it to you on pure chutzpa, though. Thanks for the laugh.