Let's Move "Beyond Bailouts" Toward Real Financial Reform

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The bailout happened. What now?

There’s a lot of finger-pointing around Washington about who’s to blame – for both the conditions that necessitated a rescue package and for allowing one of the largest-ever government intrusions into the private sector to become law.

Today, the National Taxpayers Union and the Competitive Enterprise Institute launched BeyondBailouts.org to answer three main questions: How did this happen? What do we do now? How can I get involved? BeyondBailouts.org seeks to move past the blame game by learning from what went wrong, enacting policies to address those mistakes, and enabling taxpayers to get involved and take control of their hard-earned dollars. Among the reform recommendations:

  • Privatize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac;
  • Prosecute Corrupt Officials;
  • Suspend Destructive Accounting Rules;
  • Repeal the Community Investment Act; and
  • Clean Up the Tax Code

As part of the site, NTU and CEI have launched a new “No More Bailouts” petition to provide taxpayers the ability to contact their representatives in Congress and the President with their thoughts on bailout-mania. Visit BeyondBailouts.org and get involved today! 

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Stop Obama's Socialism.

No more bailouts? You will have to start by defeating Democrats in the Congressional elections.

BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS ARE SO DESPERATE FOR HIGHER TAXES THEY ARE ABOUT TO DESTROY THE 401(K) RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND CAUSE OUR NEXT FINANCIAL CRISIS! See:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2112720/posts

I fore see either socialist malaise or bailouts as far as the eye can see - or both - should Obama and the Democrats win.

We could be suffering under the most leftwing and least competent Federal Government *ever*.

Send out the SOS: Stop Obama's Socialism.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/39471

-8 YEARS OF AN OBAMA-PELOSI-ACORN ADMINISTRATION WOULD GIVE AMERICA:
-8 YEARS OF SPREAD-THE-WEALTH SOCIALISM,
-8 YEARS OF CHICAGO-STYLE CORRUPTION, &
-8 YEARS OF UNITED NATIONS-STYLE FOREIGN POLCY
IT WOULD GIVE US A GOVERNMENT THAT IS TOO STRONG AT HOME AND TOO WEAK ABROAD. IT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE & FAR TOO DANGEROUS.

 

Wow, Freedom please take your medication!

We realize that you have a limited understanding of all the scary financial stuff you see out there, but please take a deep breath. 

You do realize that the Bush years have been an economic disaster compared to the Clinton years. You also realize that that our tax system is so screwed up and convoluted that there is socialism for virtually every group under the sun, business gets them, the poor get them, the middle class get them, and the rich get them. A large family gets more tax breaks, then a small family, that is a form of socialism. The wealthy can use tax shelters and tax exempt investments to shelter income. Unearned income in the form of dividends and LT capital gains pay less taxes then earned income as a percentage of income. So get off your high horse and stop shouting the sky is falling before Obama even take office. If after four years he has not improved the economy and America then you can start yelling fire in the theater, but for the love of God how can he do worse then Bush.

The cruelest form of socialism; giving more then $1 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthy and adding it to the national debt to obligate future tax payers. So please clean up your own backyard before running around like a jackass accusing everyone else of being a socialist!

Wow GTS, you are acting irrationally

Your trollish arrogance does not match your inept and failed attempt to abuse the English language to make 'up' down and high-taxation to not be socialism.

First, the "but he does it too" is feeble. I would love a flatter, simpler, lower-tax-rate tax system - the Democrats are always against that however. In every respect that our tax system is 'convoluted' Obama wants to make it WORSE. Obama in the past year proposed higher payroll taxes, higher income taxes, and raising the capital gains taxes from 15% to 25%. Now in the general election, Obama has flipflopped on it, but he will surely flipflop back in order to make taxpayers pay for his $800 billion in spending promises that he can’t keep without higher taxes. 

While you are right that cap gains is at 15%, you neglect to admit that: In many countries it is zero; low-to-middle-class income tax rates are no higher (and thanks to Bush tax cuts 40% of Americans pay no income taxes); and that lowering cap gains from 25% to 15% actually increased the cap gains revenues in 2005 and 2006.

Obama's plan increases the marginal tax rate even for families making $40,000 a year. this is a clear disincentive for work and the worst tax policies since the 1970s. And yes - it is socialism, dont deny it.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/10/exposing-obamas-tax-cut-lie.html

Now, it's NOT socialism to have lower taxes so your Clintonesque dissembling of calling lower tax rates on the rich 'socialism' is bizarre. It is socialism to have Higher taxes. And the idea that the wealthy have $1 trillion in tax breaks is absurd - the top 10% are paying about 60% of TOTAL income taxes, and we have the highest corporate income taxes in the OECD. As for

The wealthy can use tax shelters and tax exempt investments to shelter income.

They are incentivized to do so when tax rates are too high, but when they do that, they are withdrawing their money from the dynamic economy and putting it into less productive activities. AS A RESULT, THE ECONOMY SUFFERS. Obama's high tax rates will cause more 'tax shelter' behavior and will drive investment results down, keep the economy in a sluggish fashion and create poverty.

We added 8 million new jobs from 2003 to 2007 in the wake of the passing of the Bush tax cuts, and the economy grew. But since the threat of them ending has arisen, the economy stalled. the Democrats are largely to blame for the current economic woe, they have ALREADY done worse than we would be if only the Bush tax cuts were made permanent:

The Democrats are the incumbent party in Congress. Since liberal Democrat Nancy Pelosi became speaker after 2006 elections, the price of oil rose, the stock market fell 20%, unemployment rose 20%, and the economy has sputtered. The Democrats’ threats of tax increases and their attacks on businesses and markets and energy producers have had a toll on the economy. The Democrats tried and failed to lose the war in Iraq, but they have managed instead to break promises to cut earmarks (they made it worse), and have spent over $1 trillion and counting on bailouts this year alone. They want more - money from the taxpayer to new govt welfare cases, with a slice for their special interests on the side. An example of their special-interest giveaways is the ‘alternative energy bill’ that included $50 billion in new taxes and had a hidden $1 billion gift to trial lawyers.

The Democrats’ earlier support for the creation of CRA (Community Reinvestment Act), sowed the seeds for subprime lending. Barack Obama, did legal work on behalf of ACORN to sue banks to force them to engage in subprime lending. that subprime lending ballooned, and the leaders in it, like Countrywide, gave sponsors like Sen Chris Dodd, sweetheart deals as thank yous; when Republicans warned about Fannie Mae supporting these risky schemes in 2005, the Democrats stopped them. The chicken’s have come home to roost on the flawed idea of giving homes and mortgages to people who cannot really afford them. Democrats instigated this financial crisis as much as anyone else.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2008/10/change-we-need-defeat-democrat...

 

Last, I would not that tax cuts NEVER impose a burden of debt on anyone. Federal Goverment SPENDING does! That's just obvious financial math. Obama's $800 billion in new spending promises, and his dishonest mislabeling of $100 a year in welfare spending as a 'tax cut' is indeed SOCIALISM at a scale that we have not seen in America .... EVER. It must be stopped.

I am not accusing everyone of being a Socialist. I AM ACCUSING OBAMA. And why not? He was the endrosed candidate of the marxist New Party when he got his start in politics:

Now, have you ever answered my question? McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden, who are you voting for? It's helpful to get some intellectual honesty from the trolls around here.

 

 

Is this RedState?

Do you have to pass a doctrinal purity test or else an armed mob will show up on your doorstep?

 

Only armed with the facts buddy

What, you can't handle a debate based on facts and challenges to your world-view?

Dont get your panties in a twist over someone challenging your trollish comments. I am Only armed with the facts buddy, and one man who is right might look like a crowd but that doesnt make a fellow commenter a 'mob'.

There's no doctrinal purity test but it would behoove the liberals who troll here so show full disclosure to explain their whacky comments. To wit ... some questions:

- Do you agree or disagree with Obama and Democrats plan to shut down the secret ballot in union elections?

- Do you agree or disagree with Obama's thinking Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a great justice?

- Do you agree or disagree that the Federal Government spends too much and taxes too much?

- Are you supporting McCain/Palin?

(my answers, for full disclosure: disagree, disagree, agree, yes)

Dis, dis, dis, agree, no.

If the idea of Sarah Palin being president by Super Bowl Sunday doesn't scare you, you aren't paying attention.

Doh! McCain is running for President

Not Palin. I mean, how CLUELESS can you get that you are babbling about Palin in the White House and yet not clued in that she is the Vice Presidential candidate.

John McCain's Mom is still sprightly and vibrant and John McCain will be around for a long time to come. He'll make a good two-term President if he desires.

You are going on and on about her running for the office that John Nance Garner said was worth no more than a bucket of warm spit.

Go figure!

 

DOH! He is 72 years old and could drop dead on

Inaguration Day, leaving us with her!!

What if he got his longevity genes from his father, not his mother? His dad died at age 70.

Is it really so hard to understand that there is a very real possibility that she could be president in January?

Obama's Mom dead, McCain's Mom alive

The fact remains that the country would be safer, the economy would be better off, and our nation would be stronger, if Palin were President instead of Obama.

But that is not at all to be expected.

The best President for the stock market btw was Calvin Coolidge, who happened to be disliked by the elites but loved by the people (his victory in 1924 was one of the largest).

 

 

 

 

who are you voting for then if not McCain/Palin?

 

BTW, Are you looking forward to getting your 401(k) killed?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/23/democrats-to-kill-401ks-for-privat...

 

good idea

i wonder if that would be a good starting point for Republicans, if they want to rebuild/start from scratch....sort of become the "reform" party (like how after Clinton they campaigned on trust etc). They would have to fix corruption in their own party, too, but I'm sure all Americans would want to "clean up" washington. And if people want Palin to be the future, she could make that part of her future/mission; she did request half (i think) of the earmarks of her predecessor, which in Alaska is saying a lot. And she has that whole "outsider" image (or had it, i'm not sure how much campaigning with McCain has damaged that). Maybe if the Republicans got rid of Stevens, they could then go after Dodd and Rangel, and make new rules to prevent abuses of power

I would love to see the tax code cleaned up, but I have no faith in a government as large as ours being able to do that. We can dream...

Stop McCain's Socialism

Audience member: Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor?

John McCain: I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more.

Audience member: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism 'n stuff?

McCain: Here's what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.

Joe the Plumber vs NextRightNando the Troll

We indeed have a tax system that is skewed towards having the rich pay a disproportionate share, and Obama is quite dishonest about making it sound like 36% is not enough. The top 50% of income earners pay about 95% of the income taxes.

Sure they can pay relatively more - the problem is when the tax rate gets too high it hurts the economy. Under Bushs' tax cuts, most of the cuts went to the middle class, lowering hte middle class rate to close under 15%, with a top rate at 36% still.

The difference in attitude is that Obama is about punishing the rich not merely raising money. When Obama was asked if he still supported raising the cap gains tax rate even if it didnt raise more money, he said YES!! He was for redistribution of wealth over the goal of raising money. That is a job-and-economy-killing attitude.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-taxes-a-2-trillion-trip-back-to-the-...

Using consistent language, Barack Obama’s tax proposals involve tax hikes of at least $2 trillion, and possibly $3 trillion, over the next 10 years.

Obama would bring tax policy back to the 1970s, or about where we were before the Reagan-era tax rate cuts that triggered the Seven Fat Years of 1983-1989. Despite being partially offset by Bush 41’s and Bill Clinton’s rate hikes, the Reagan rate cuts and their remnants propelled the economy forward almost non-stop for nearly 18 years until the 2000 bubble burst.

If a President Barack Obama gets his desired tax increases, he will show us that supply-side economics has a painful reverse gear.

This is one 1970s show that we don’t need to see. Economic stagnation in the name of class warfare doesn’t play well, even in reruns.

IT'S VERY CLEAR: IF OBAMA WINS, WE WILL HAVE THE MOST SOCIALISTIC AND MOST JOB-KILLING TAX CODE SINCE THE 1970S.  That's what I mean by STOP OBAMA'S SOCIALISM.

You may like it, but it will be a killer for Joe the Plumber and millions of upwardly mobile wannebe small business owners and middle-class workers and 401(k) investors.

We ALL will get hurt and crushed by this.

 

Obama's ability to articulate a plan

Again, lots and lots of words.

Which I'll dismiss with two points.

1) You haven't explained why it isn't socialism if John McCain proposes it; and

2) You willfully misintrept my Joe the Plumber reference - we weren't discussing the CONTENT of the plan, we were discussing Obama's ability to ARTICULATE a plan.

Something the Palin cannot do, without cue cards. Becasue she has not plan, no ideas, that her handlers haven't written out for her.

Obama's big mouth socialism

First, I am fully aware of Obama's ability to say what are to me false and absurd things, both from a teleprompter and after coaching in a debate. Apparently, Obama is "superior" to Palin by your lights because Obama can lie by calling his socialistic welfare redistribution plan a "tax cut" or blame deregulation for what in fact was caused by Govt meddling a nd inciting of subprime loans via CRA and Fannie Mae.  Whoopdee-doo, we've been there and done that (Clinton tax cut lie of 1992). The fact that this is in your view of any importance at all shows how SHALLOW and UNINTELLECTUAL you actually are. It's like thinking Carlie Gibson is 'smart' because he wore glasses and frowned in his Palin interview.

Obama has talked the talk, while Palin has walked the walk. Palin didnt go with cue cards when she renegotiated the natural gas pipeline project and made it happen, and that accomplishment alone is more than Obama did in his entire pathetic and non-consequential career. Which has consisted of 'voting present' while running for higher office.

What we are buying with Obama as President is big mouth socialism.

While you did indeed miss the point on socialism 100% ... You have my permission to call the current progressive income tax system 'socialist' if that's your thing. (I doubt it would be except to praise it.) I know enough Ron Paul types who call the Federal Reserve the same, so water off my back. What is obviously wrong and disingenuous is to pretend there is no real difference. With Obama, its a large step towards socialism - and not just taxes: govt control of healtcare sector, mandates on business, forcing millions into a govt-run insurance scheme; etc.

Palin is also a woman who figured out the truth about the unborn:

It was Mother Theresa, she had once said that God has created each one of us, every human being, for a greater thing to love and to be loved and no matter our party, or our gender, or our background, our affiliations, there is a voice of humanity there, in those words of Mother Theresa, that speaks to all of us.

Obama say's that when life begins is 'above his paygrade'. Duh, its biology 101 that life begins at conception and Obama's punt on the abortion question at Saddleback tells us all we need to know about his lack of conscience combined with a certain amount of political cowardice. Obama would not be honest to audiences about his pro-abortion extremist positions.

 

Seriously?

Do I really have to say again the pipeline doesn't exist?

Also - you say that we already have a socialist system, and then say that "With Obama, its a large step towards socialism" - so, what, he is a step toward what we already have?

And, finally - if you think it is bioloty 101 that life begins at conception, what are you doing to shut down all the IVF clinics in your area that are freezing embryos?

 

The Pipeline to Nowhere

Newsweek, Sept 30

The principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor, a natural-gas pipeline project backed by $500 million in state tax money, might never be built unless Canadian authorities can strike a deal with some of the country's angry Indian tribes. Approximately half of the proposed pipeline would run through Canada; native tribes who live along its route complain they haven't been consulted about it and are threatening to sue unless they are compensated. Representatives of the canadian tribes, known as First Nations, say Palin and other pipeline proponents are treating them with disrespect. The tribes' lawyers warn that the courts are on their side and say the Indians have the power to delay the pipeline for years—or even kill it entirely by filing endless lawsuits.

Palin's advisers say they considered these risks before they committed state funds to the project earlier this year. The state hired Canadian lawyers, who produced a lengthy report warning about possible lawsuits and cautioning that First Nations in Canada's Yukon Territory could be among the "most litigious." The report estimated that the Indians could delay the pipeline for up to seven years. But Jeffrey Rath, a lawyer for First Nations, says this timetable is "wildly optimistic." He notes that one of his clients, the 250-member Prophet River First Nation, litigated an unrelated land claim for 11 years before recently settling. Liz Logan, chief of a First Nations umbrella group in British Columbia, told NEWSWEEK that TransCanada, the company Palin's administration selected to pursue the project, has "very much downplayed the extent of the legal difficulties they face in Canada." One of Canada's top pipeline experts, Professor Andre Plourde of the University of Alberta, agrees that the seven-year timetable proposed by Palin's lawyers for sorting out First Nations claims is "optimistic indeed."

Kurt Gibson, one of Alaska's top officials overseeing the pipe-line project, says it is "premature" in the process to start consulting with Canadian Indians. "This is what I would call a commercial dance of the fireflies," he says, meaning that the two sides are each jostling for economic advantage. But Robert C. Freedman, a lawyer for the Dene Tha' First Nation, says that if authorities keep putting off dealing with the natives, "it's going to be a pipeline to nowhere when it crosses into Canada." In an interview with NEWSWEEK, Patrick Galvin, Palin's revenue commissioner, conceded that "there are risks associated with this project … Nobody has said that this project is absolutely going to happen, guaranteed."