Problems with the Rightosphere?

Matt Margolis has some interesting thoughts about the state of the Rightosphere - parts of which I agree with, parts of which I do not. 

Back in 2004, we were all united because we had the same goal, and we worked together to achieve it. But now conservative bloggers, unable to duplicate the fundraising prowess of the left-wing blogosphere, have made their objective to try to recreate the party in their own image from the top down rather than by true grassroots buildng from the bottom up.

The Rightosphere was unable to duplicate the fundraising prowess of the Leftosphere because we aren't really passionate about a mission.  Oh, sure, there are things about which we are all passionate.  Some people care a lot about taxes, others about spending, others about the war, or Iraq, or immigration, or earmarks, or any of a hundred other things.  But what is the common thread?  What do each of those things have to do with the other, except "it's what our team generally advocates"?   If there's any unifying thread to the Right's issues, it has been undone by the Republican Party's actual behavior.

But in what sense are Righty bloggers trying to recreate the party in their own image from the top down?  By arguing for their own conception of what the Party should be?   That's exactly what the Left did.  Progressive bloggers organised the netroots by telling a story about what the Democratic Party could and should be.  The communities arose because people rallied around the conception of the Democratic Party being espoused by people like Markos, Jerome Armstrong, Matt Stoller, Matthew Yglesias, Ezra Klein, Kevin Drum, Duncan Black, Chris Bowers, Josh Marshall, John Aravosis and others.

I see plenty of top-down objectives on the Right, but not much of that in the Rightosphere.

Conservative blogging used to be about building community. But it has become something that is elitist, DC-centric, and contrary to grassroots empowerment.

This is exactly backwards.  The Rightosphere has never been about "community".  Some Right-of-center blogs have developed sizable communities in the form of comment sections (LGF, Malkin, Hot Air), but very few right-of-center blogs have developed genuine, interactive, participatory communities.   Red State has been a diary/community site for quite some time, though (for a variety of reasons) never approaching the size of Daily Kos.  Next Right is a diary/community site, but still much newer and smaller.  The Rightosphere has been about media criticism and punditry, not community and activism.

And the Rightosphere has never been DC-centric and elitist.  Many of the prominent Lefty bloggers are DC residents, but very, very few of the prominent Righty bloggers are based in DC.  Glenn Reynolds (Knoxville), Ed Morrissey and Powerline (Minneapolis), Pajamas, Volokh and Red State (scattered), RealClearPolitics (Chicago).  The people behind The Next Right are an exception, but the point of this site is that Ruffini, Dayton and I are in the unusual position of being at the nexus between the political world and the internet media.

It's difficult for non-DC bloggers to do DC-centric things, of course, but the Leftosphere became powerful by going outside of the Democratic establishment.

We were destined as a community to fail our party’s nominee when we made the primary season the quest to find the next Ronald Reagan. ... too many decided that since McCain didn’t score high enough on the “Ronald Reagan Scale” that they weren’t going to help him win.

This strikes me as an odd criticism.  If a sports team doesn't attract enough fans to make money...the problem is the team, not the fans.  McCain lost because he didn't get enough votes.  The problem is not Republicans (or bloggers) were insufficiently loyal.  The problem is that Republicans are not offering people an an agenda that people want to vote for.  If Republicans are alienating voters, don't get indignant at the voters.  "Blame the victim" is not a good way to stop losing elections.

Now, an area of agreement.  Margolis suggests ways to get back on track.

Get Local ... All politics is local and it doesn’t matter what I, a blogger in New York, says about about a congressional race in California or a gubernatorial race in Washington...

Do you know how you can have the biggest impact with a blog?  Skip the 10,000th blog about national politics and start a hyper-focused blog.  Write about either (a) something on which you have real expertise, or (b) something you can do genuine research and information gathering.   Start a blog about your city council, the EPA, your local newspaper, a Lefty blog, a think tank, or your school board.   If you do it well, you probably still won't have a lot of readers.  But those you have will be very, very important readers

We need less punditry, more information gathering, information organization and specialization.

Promote Candidates, Not Your Own Agenda ... I am sick and tired of conservative bloggers wasting time and effort on the wrong things. Trying to influence who is chosen for leadership positions in the Senate or who becomes chairman of the party are the wrong battles.

I certainly encourage Margolis to fight the battles he wants to fight, but bloggers can and have had an impact on leadership races.  I can attest that political offices pay attention to what bloggers are writing.  It matters.

But "promote candidates, not your own agenda" sounds an awful lot like "shut up and sing".  Supporting the party is not a good way to fix the party.  It only subsidizes bad behavior.  Eventually, the Republican Party will again align its agenda with a sufficiently large coalition, and retake a majority. 

Until that happens, bloggers should promote candidates who do promote the blogger's agenda.

Margolis seems unhappy that the Rightosphere has been unable to unite behind Republicans, and there are certainly a variety of things the Right and the Republican Party needs to do better online.  But blaming the bloggers confuses the symptoms for the disease.  In order to fix the problems on the Right, we need...

  • ...better information organization, which helps create coalesce a movement around...
  • ...the organizing agenda, out of which flows...
  • ...the storyline, narrative, which motivates...
  • ...the grassroots/netroots to get engaged, mobilized and donating, all of which is channeled effectively by...
  • ...the infrastructure, both online and offline.

 

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I couldn't agree with you more.

Please read my post: Rebuilding the party from the bottom up.

     ex animo

     davidfarrar

 

+1

 Yep, I agree with you on everything.  There's lots and lots of work to do.

The problem w/the Rightosphere...

...is not only with the rightblogs but also talk radio and conservatives in general.  We're simply not interested in going deep into the root cause(s) of why the GOP continues to drive away Middle American voters.  We continue to remain on the surface.  Dealing with the superficial surface issues.  Its a comfortable place and we simply do not want to be forced to aggressively confront certain of our former comrades within the party, who've trashed our party.  Its an unpleasant task and we'd much rather continue poking criticisms at the democrats.  And, hey, thats a lot more fun and we're all about having fun, right? 

I'll venture that 98% + of those who operate right leaning blogs and most of their conservative blog visitors/commentors  voted for McCain/Palin.   WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!  The problem is with that 5-20 million block of potential, eligible voters out there who are just no longer enthusiastic about the GOP.  So much so that they either stayed at home on election day or protest voted for some 3rd party nut, etc.  Most wouldn't even know what you're talking about if you mentioned the Rightosphere. These have become frustrated / exasperated and have simply dropped out of the political process altogether.  They have other things in their lives to be involved in.   Question should be how do we get them back?  First and foremost - get our own dysfunctional GOP house in order!   Darvin Dowdy

There's something to that

 However, as a long time Kos reader, I am surprised at how many people got turned on to politics because of Daily Kos.  People who get their news online would end up there and realize it was full of information they couldn't get elsewhere (i.e. details on some pro-gay rights candidate in WY).  Whatever the person's pet interest, they found a wealth of information.  Then they became part of the community and read and learned about other issues from a Kossite perspective.  They became part of the "movement" on the left.

I hear much less of that on the right.  Many people seem to be happy to get their news from someone other than Chris Matthews or Dan Rather, but most people in these online communities were already active politically to some extent.  As an under 30 voter, I have many friends who are still developing their political views, including many who have voted for both parties for President in their first 2 or 3 elections.  I would love to give them a site to learn about the GOP and its views, but I am afraid that many of the right-o-sphere sites would be more likely to turn them off than persuade them.

I'm not sure how well the blogosphere is for persuasion of people who don't already agree with one's view, but it should play some role.  And I don't see it much on the right. 

what I love about kos is the history.

Where else on this vast internet do you read about Breton Woods?

Let alone the role the Black Death played in saving Northern Europeans from AIDS.

On sundaykos, half the time you find yourself asking yourself "this is a political blog??"

 

Also, namecalling in isolation and without proof is not likely to gain you many admirers. I don't mind if you call Murtha a corrupt SOB, because by gum it's true!

I'm openminded enough to listen to ideas -- and I've got a beaut about a libertarian way to deal with our transit system... But the real problem is, i don't see enough ideas around here. It's all backbiting, and no consensus.

 

The GOP is truly a fractured party, fractured along so many different lines... I don't know.

Be back on board when you can lure Buffett back.

Not fractured or fragmented...

...but the GOP is (or was) made up of conservatives.   Conservatives are fiercely independent.  They don't want government, organizations, people, etc intruding into their lives.  Its very difficult to get them together.  What was it someone once said, "like herding cats".  Really impossible.  But think about a cat, even a big cat, can eventually be lured out into the open by some patient person offering tasty treats.   Something that the cat really likes.  And thats the key.  The GOP in its present state is offering sawdust.  And wash it down vinegar.  Not many takers.

Funny you should mention Bretton Woods, RTide.   That internationalism cr_p is part of the sawdust and vinegar that the GOP Hierarchy  is trying to shovel down the throat of their Base.  And the Base wants no part of it:  ( link )  DD

the hell?

you're against Breton woods, something that was basically written by the united states, and the rest of the world saluted as it went by?

Did I read that wrong?

Are you perhaps against Breton Woods II?

Please clarify.

I joined Kos

Because of a post by DarkSyde entitled "Why I Am an Atheist". It was a great story, and led me to look further into the site. I was never much into politics beforehand.

I'm sure a lot get tuned into politics

from Jon Steward and Stephen Colbert.

They make the whole thing fun and funny. And I love their better know a district shtick. it's enlightening.

The #DontGo Movement

This is exaclty what is trying to take place at dontgomovement.com.  You can read what it's all about on their site.

We're trying to build a community to network local bloggers with local activists.  Then build on that to link each of those communities together until you get to a national structure.  It's quite a massive vision but it's already taking off like wildfire.

Basically, we are trying to rally around free-market ideals and original conservative (small "c") / libertarian (small "l") principles.

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Chicken or the egg

Eventually, the Republican Party will again align its agenda with a sufficiently large coalition, and retake a majority.

So, if a sufficiently large coalition gells, and forms an agenda, the Republican Party will pay attention.

I liked Ed Morrissey's comments on reganing the majority as well...

In order to regain the majority, we need to stop attacking each other and start focusing on those issues that unite us.  The only way to achieve real change is to combine our strengths and put ourselves back in position to change policy.  It may feel good to stand alone with our ideological purity, but in the end, it will never afford us the leverage to make real changes.  Only by agreeing to pursue what unites us can we forge an alliance that can achieve any positive change for America.

 

What about the "Freepers"?

"The Rightosphere has never been about "community".  Some Right-of-center blogs have developed sizable communities in the form of comment sections (LGF, Malkin, Hot Air), but very few right-of-center blogs have developed genuine, interactive, participatory communities.   Red State has been a diary/community site for quite some time, though (for a variety of reasons) never approaching the size of Daily Kos.  Next Right is a diary/community site, but still much newer and smaller.  The Rightosphere has been about media criticism and punditry, not community and activism."

Why is there no mention of the Free Republic community ("Freepers") anywhere in this article?

http://www.freerepublic.com

Free Republic seems to already be doing most of what this "Rightosphere" article is complaining about.

 

The problem

Is that most freepers are crazy, prone to conspiracy, and don't seem to espouse actual policy. From what I've seen, they are followers and not leaders.

Also, that website is HORRIBLY designed. It's an eyesore.

I always found the signal to

I always found the signal to noise ratio to high (low?)   To much noise for usefull discussion.

And I don't remember the last time I heard freepers taking action against or for something?

Nice Post - Here is one place to start - Encouraging dissent

This was an excellent post.

One place to start would be to encourage conservative "community" sites to allow everyone to participate.

Redstate.com will ban your account for no real reason, other than being a "troll" or whatever crap they are deciding to ban stuff on.

The real strength of any organization is found in its willingness to encourage an open exchange of ideas, regardless of whether or not the powers that be agree with them.

Stifling the "other" voice just creates an insular, inbred self reinforcing echo chamber that will never produce the kind of dynamic growth that is needed.

How many users get the boot from Daily Kos for posting something that Kos doesnt agree with?  Not many. 

And yet I read front page posts from redstate where Moe or whoever it is will brag about giving people the boot. 

Until the rightosphere is willing to tolerate and engage in the give and take of a vigorous debate its not going to have the kind of success that the left is currently enjoying.

****Update****

I am not specifically picking on Redstate.com BTW.  Just using them as a convenient example.

cfkdaddy...

...I, too, got booooooted from Redstate.  I never used any foul or bad language (as others did profusely).  But they simply didn't like my views.  It simply didn't align w/their neat little compartmentalized set of viewpoints.  But  I refused to back down on a legit point I was making and that was it.  They shut me down.  I consider myself a hard core, nationalistic conservative, too.  Don't know what your status is.   But I wear it as a badge of honor to be booted from there.  I seldom visit their site anymore under my new pseudonym.  This has been some time ago and I'm sure Erick and crew have mellowed and become more tolerant.   I certainly agree w/a lot of their agenda and wish them well.  DD

Echo Chambers

With all the "expell the RINOs" talk I'm reading lately, I doubt that situation will get better soon.