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How Obama should react to the Nobel Peace Prize
Submitted by Jon Henke on Fri, 10/09/2009 - 10:22
Note: Below, I offer a suggestion that would actually help President Obama against his critics. And yet, his critics should support it because it is the right thing to do.
Virtually everybody - Right, Left and Media - agrees that awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to President Obama is somewhere between premature and ridiculous. The Nobel Peace Prize Committee has beclowned itself again. Given that context, it will be very difficult for Obama to accept the prize without appearing...well, ridiculous. He might turn down the prize or even hand it over to one of the people who genuinely accomplished things. Both would be noble gestures by President Obama to correct an error he did not create.
However, the exceptionally smart James Pethokoukis offered a better idea...
Obama should accept [Nobel Peace Prize] on behalf of Reagan (defeating USSR), Bush I (freeing Kuwait), Clinton (free trade) and Bush II (liberating 50m)
This would be a masterful move by President Obama. Imagine this speech being given directly to the Nobel Peace Prize committee and the entire world:
I thank you and accept the honor you have bestowed. However, I do not accept the Nobel Peace Prize on my own behalf. I accept it on behalf of The United States of America, the greatest force for good the world has ever known.
I accept it on behalf of President Ronald Reagan, who led the final victory over the evil empire of Soviet communism. America was right and the world is a better, more peaceful place because Ronald Reagan had the courage to win that fight.
I accept it on behalf of President George H.W. Bush, who led the liberation of Kuwait. America was right and the world is a better, more peaceful place because George H.W. Bush had the courage to win that fight.
I accept it on behalf of President Bill Clinton, who fought for, and won, more free trade around the world. America was right and the world is a better, more peaceful place because Bill Clinton had the courage to win that fight.
And yes, even though I opposed the war in Iraq, I accept this Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of President George W. Bush, who fought for the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Whether or not the Iraq war was the appropriate policy, America is right to support freedom and democracy, and the world is a better, more peaceful place because George W. Bush had the courage to remove the tyrants in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I do not accept this Nobel Peace Prize on my own behalf. I accept it on behalf of America, that Shining City upon a Hill that has made this world a better place for us all.
Nothing would disarm his critics and rally the American public to President Obama faster than him giving this speech to the Nobel Peace Prize Committee.
UPDATE: President Obama's remarks this morning are a step in the right direction. I hope he will go further and tell the world exactly what that leadership has been over recent decades.
"Let me be clear," Obama said. "I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."
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We all know that won't happen...
There's not a chance in hell "the One" will make this really about someone else and not himself.
Clinton = Free Trade?
So Reagan gets credit for the "final victory" over the USSR (never mind all the other people who worked to make that happen on both sides of the iron curtain who should get the credit first), but all Clinton gets is a snarky nod for free trade. Oh, nevermind the US involvement in Kosovo bringing Slobodan Milosevic to justice. If Reagan can be credited for bringing down the Berlin Wall than Clinton can be credited for Kosovo. No peace accomplished there, certainly not when compared to Iraq and Afghanistan, right? So let's ignore what was probably the most effective peace keeping war that involved the US since WWII. I mean, the military industrial complex didn't make nearly as much money off of it as the other three presidents' endevors, so it must not be worth praising. Plus, we actually worked with the rest of the world trying to create peace. Working with others is for wussies, this totally doesn't count, right? Instead, we praise Clinton for free trade? Seriously! Free trade? Oh, and don't forget to remind everyone that communists = evil, because that has what to do with this? This fictional acceptance speech is the only thing worse than the idea that Obama should get the prize after only a handful of months in office.
Re:
Jesus christ, I was writing a quick, short summary of things Pethokoukis and I thought were highlights for each of them. I wasn't writing the history of the world.
Jon, calm down a bit... I'm sure you thought your piece witty.
There is absolutely nothing in Obama's past that would indicate him capable of the high standard which you place before him. And there's nothing in his current perpetual partisan campaign mindset that suggests he could attribute anything to anyone other than a fellow-Democrat inside his Administration as worthy of his "sharing" this award.
Frankly, if the Committee had awarded the prize to Obama & Mother Teresa, I'd bet he'd hipcheck her (if alive) off the stage when the moment for remarks came around in Oslo. Robert Gibbs would probably excuse it as Obama wanting to "rub elbows" with the great humanitarian. It's not like the Committee didn't have some better choices in the 205 nominees!
When conservative bloggers suggest the President ought to do something as grand as you outline, you distract from the primary truth here: Obama did nothing to earn this award and it is given by one of the world's most liberal Left organizations. If that isn't the story line of any conservative blog's commentary on this asinine decision by the Nobel Committee, then you aren't on the right page of the hymnal.
By the way, I take offense at people using Christ's name in vain. You can save that for the telephone pits at the next campaign war room, ok?
What the hell does this have to do with the Nobel Peace Prize?
According to Alfred Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
What the hell does free trade, jingoistic "America was right" chestbeating and the invasion of other countries (even for noble reasons) have to do with Nobel's criteria?? The current GOP foreign policy doctrine remains firmly opposed to all three things mentioned above, after all!
Maybe some Wall Street tycoon on the far right ought to emulate Nobel by setting up a "Freedom and Liberty Prize" but that is a different topic that has nothing to do with the Nobel Peace Prize.
MARCU$
Exactly, Marcus...
What does this --anything that Obama's done in the 1st ten months of his only term in office-- have anything to do with the Nobel Peace Prize... which use to be awarded for concrete, demonstrable achievements toward world peace?
What does this have to do with the Nobel's original intent. But then, Nobel doesn't have much to do with this prize anymore... so what does his wish have to do with the award?
I don't think you really wanted to shoot your team in the foot like that, did you? One part adoring worshipful minion, one part Obama tool... you've got your role set for life.
Not really
"What does this --anything that Obama's done in the 1st ten months of his only term in office-- have anything to do with the Nobel Peace Prize... which use to be awarded for concrete, demonstrable achievements toward world peace?"
As Obama himself acknowledged, "I know that throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes," Case in point: Desmond Tutu won the 1984 Peace Prize for his efforts to abolish apartheid in South Africa although the practice of racial segregation was alive and well at the time. Another example of something that worked out less well, alas, is the 1994 Prize won by Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yizhak Rabin although the Oslo Accords peace process later fizzled out.
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Obama received the award "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." The initiatives and stated goals of the first ten months of his presidency have indeed been warmly received abroad. Certainly, Obama owes the prize largely thanks to the monumental incompetence and current unpopularity of George W. Bush and the Republican party. That is your problem though, Romney2012, not mine:-)
MARCU$
Hello, Obot...
Try as you might, there's simply no case to be made for Obama to win the Nobel Peace Prize except for his mere existence.
If that's the case, 1) The Nobel Peace Prize is officially a joke and 2) you and your fellow Obots have reaffirmed the belief that non-Obots have that you are part of a cult of personality that has gotten out of control.
Blame "Shrub" for your current woes, RBIII
> Try as you might, there's simply no case to be made for
> Obama to win the Nobel Peace Prize except for his mere existence.
Except for the mere existence of George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and a galaxy of other incompetent idiots running the show for the past eight years, I would actually agree with you...
Had Obama merely succeeded George Herbert Walker Bush -- a real experienced pro who skilfully oversaw the peaceful end of the Cold War, who managed to successfully assemble a coalition of forces to invade Iraq with the blessing of virtually anybody and with very low US casualties etc. etc. -- he would not have won the Peace Prize after only ten months in office.
MARCU$
faint praise
Oh, I get it now. So folks like mindlroo who are supporting this Peace Prize are actually agreeing with conservatives who say that he doesn't deserve it on the merits, only because he happened to succeed George W. Bush. Faint praise indeed.
Yup...
If George W. and his neo-conservative pals in the White House and Congress had been doing a better job in 2000-2008, Obama would not even be president now. Otherwise, the demand for "change" would not be great enough for the U.S. electorate to gamble on an inexperienced liberal African American university professor from inner city Chicago.
MY woes?
Wait... You think the Nobel Peace Prize means something anymore? LOL!
Not exactly correct Marcus, but you get an "A" for revisionism
Umm, nope. Bishop Tutu, who some on the Left think is a bigoted racist (please page Alan Dershowitz), won the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, according to the Committee, for the Bishop's "role as a unifying leader figure in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa." Norwegian Nobel Committee. "The Nobel Peace Prize for 1984". Press release. http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1984/press.html. Retrieved Oct 9-2009
For his role as a unifying leader in the campaign... not to advance the campaign, not to underscore the horrors of apartheid on the liberal mind, not to give momentum to a set of causes, for something concrete and which had occured... but, what the Hell, what do the Nobel Peace Prize Committee know about their own motivations? Heck, you and the Obama spin machine want to revise history, go ahead and do it. Heck, you have "The Mandate for the Messiah" afterall... what's a little revision of history when no one's looking, eh?
Don't be Silly, "Romney2012"
> what the Hell, what do the Nobel Peace Prize Committee know about their own motivations?
If you want to mark words and argue that "role as a unifying leader figure in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa." is different from what I wrote, go ahead if you wish. But I stand by my claim that the effort lead by Bishop Tutu (which began in earnest in 1976) had not managed to resolve the problem of apartheid by 1984. It was work in progress, much as Obama's "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" have only just begun.
Now, some of the causes deemed just by the Nobel Committee actually bear fruit (=the end of apartheid) whereas others fizzle out (=the Oslo Accords). Obama's "extraordinary efforts" to restore America's honor and reputation in the world following the disastrous Bush era is of course also work in progress, but as always the Nobel Committee wishes to encourage the process. Nobel committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland told AP, "Some people say, and I understand it, 'Isn't it premature? Too early?' Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond -- all of us."
"What do the Nobel Peace Prize Committee know about their own motivations?" Indeed, if the organization felt Tutu and Obama both deserve the Peace Prize, who are you and I to argue? They make the rules after all, don't they? And my point is there is no glaring double standard or inconsistency at all.
MARCU$
So it's agreeable to you that romney2012 has it pegged
as a case of you being a revisionist in claiming, like the Obama Spin Machine, that his award for doing nothing to date is somehow evidenced of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee's longstanding tradition of... let's see, what was it...
Bishop Tutu's award, in the words of the Committee, was for doing something meaningful and practiced to stand against apartheid... it wasn't given because Tutu promised that one day in the future he might do something that merits the award.
Your blinders of partisan worshipfulness are blocking any clear perspective, minidrooling.
Obama didn't deserve the award and, like some in the Left media have noted, giving it to Obama for nothing cheapens the award given to all in the past. Maybe he should have been given the Nobel Award for Chemistry... because in his mind and the adoring fans, the O has that unique chemistry found in many metrosexuals dancing on the pages of Detail... now, for that he deserves the award.
I agree, the spin coming from the WH and Left is incredible
To explain away why someone like O with as little demonstrable proof of acheivement could get the Nobel Peace Prize, O and others rewrite history and have the nattering media thinking that it's routine for the Nobel Committee to hand out awards on the promise and Hope of what one might do... silly, really. And Mini-drooling's contention that that is exactly what happened with Bishop Tutu's prize is mind-numbing extortion of the 35 yrs Bishop Tutu labored against apartheid before he got the award!
All those civil rights protests and arrests; the lobbying of Congress and others; the thousands of press briefings and speeches he gave for 35-39 yrs! The five times he was brutally beaten while under interrogation and real torture --not the make believe crap the far Left thinks Cheney authorized for terrorists-- by the SA natl police... damn.
But mini-drool has his script and the O-pals are marching to the tune that Davey Axelrod has deemed "most sympathetic" in the press.
Obama wins for simply not
Obama wins for simply not being George (trillion dollar war) Bush.
The world's hatred engendared among by those not already disposed to loath the US was whipped to an unprecidented froth by the previous occupant of the White House.
There is no advice from anyone in the Republican party that will mean a damn because there is nothing Obama could do to ever cause them to drop their relentless campaign to ensure they block any move the Democratic president makes, no matter what good that the country might enjoy from his proposals.
You hated him before he even took office. Death panels, interment camps, indoctronation, hit squads, enimes lists are just the beginning of the paranoid fantasies bening spun by the Right. That they have been this crazy, this fast means there's no telling how far they will be taking things by November 2012.
The only offer Obama should make is to offer to have the Nobel shoved slowly up the backsides of the entire Republican leadership in the House and Senate.
But he's too nice a guy for that. Peacful actualy.
recapping rbottoms...
blah blah blah... Bash Bush.... blah blah blah.... Bash Bush.... blah blah blah.... Bash Bush.
by the way bottom boi...
I bet you'd be able to provide first-hand knowledge of how that's done, crisco boi?
The person to ask is your
The person to ask is your mother. She was a sweet old girl.
Hot and black is how she likes it.
Matt, you're right... he's a crack-up.
So you're the modern replacement for Super Fly... way to go, rbottoms. I hadn't heard that kind of cut-down since maybe 3rd grade? Nawh, 2nd grade.
You must have mistaken me for
You must have mistaken me for some wimp liberal caracicature who will simply take racist cracker attacks lying down.
Childish, juvenile, playground antics
Umm, no. I know real liberals and, boy, you are no liberal. Childish, juvenile, playground antics is your game best. Man-on, dude.
All the man I need to be.
All the man I need to be. Seriously ask your mom. Two words: doggy style.
mi-goper, you have him correctly pegged when you wrote
I'd add to that list his clearly inferior sense of self driven by his patently evident insecurity.
Woof.
Woof.
"Woof" from the village racist?
That's probably the most sense he's made in a long time.
Hope and Change indeed!
"There is no advice from anyone in the Republican party that will mean a damn because there is nothing Obama could do to ever cause them to drop their relentless campaign to ensure they block any move the Democratic president makes, no matter what good that the country might enjoy from his proposals." - rbottoms, 2009
"There is no advice from anyone in the Democrat party that will mean a damn because there is nothing Bush could do to ever cause them to drop their relentless campaign to ensure they block any move the Republican president makes, no matter what good that the country might enjoy from his proposals." - any Republican, ca. 2005
Nine mnonths of the GOP
Nine mnonths of the GOP crying like little babies. I have no idea what the bedwetting party will sound like next year seeing they have the shrill turned up to 10.5 already.
re-recapping rbottoms...
blah blah blah... Bash GOP.... blah blah blah.... Bash GOP.... blah blah blah.... Bash GOP. Repeat when heard and insert "Bush" for "GOP".
Matt, once again, this shows what rbottoms and his O-pals
are all about.
Bash Bush or Bash the GOP... repeat, repeat, repeat.
It's why the far Left devised the spin-notion that O got the award because he wasn't W. Even in offering a rationale for why someone so inexperienced and unqualified as O could get the award, it was all about bashing Bush.
rbottoms is just our newest village idiot and Democrat troll bringing back the latest spin from the DailyKos.
It really is a shame
when you think that this thread began as an encouragement by Jon for Obama to step outside Obama's narrow, narcissistic self and do something worthy of the award. Naturally, that's just silly to propose; Carter, Clinton and Obama share one important character trait: they are all supreme narcissists. Carter, the Sunday School Teacher, tried to lecture America about it's malaise when he should have been reflecting on his failure of leadership. Clinton used the Oval Office to serve his base instincts and turned it into the Oral Sex Office. And Obama, while every bit the self-centered pol that those 2 Democrats were before him, is our very first Celebrity-in-Chief who is more interested in acting like a president instead of leading like a president.
One thing is true about this thread, the Democrat trolls here have proven they are more about Bashing Bush than they can absorb constructive criticism. Just like Carter, Clinton and Obama.
And desipte all the whining,
And desipte all the whining, Obama still has the award and is still president.
I have nothing but the satisfacton of hearing GOP heads explode.
I see a problem with that
I see a problem with that logic because even a lot of liberals have admitted that it was premature to downright ridiculous.
A lot isn't all. And by the
A lot isn't all. And by the way, he did win it so my opinion, yours or anyone else's doesn't really matter a damn.
The world has breathed a gigantic sigh of relief that the United States of America did not elect another Republican to continue blowing things up and wrecking the world economy.
I am perfectly fine with Barrack Obama got the "He's not frakking George Bush thank God" edition of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Does the world really need a war with Iran (not that GOP Chickenhawk cowards would actually join up to fight it)? Does the world really neeed eight more years of Global Warming denial? Does the world need a leader whose sole job seemed to be to piss off every other country on the planet? When the Chancellor of Germany is afraid the leader of the free world can't controll his freaking hands in public you have a problem.
Last November we were on the preicipice of a second Great Depression, we were busy rattling our saber at Iran, and the war in Raq seemed on a path to be endless. Your hero ground up $1,000,000,000,000 of your tax dollars, 40,000+ service member's bodies, and got 5,000+ killed in a pointless military fiasco.
Damn right the world is relieved and celebrating that America for at least one moment stopped acting like a paranoid religious cult and elected Obama president. Isn't that worth $1.4 million dollars and a gold medal?
Obama rejecting the Nobel is another fantay as wacked out as the Birthers. Receiving it is a signal that the torch has passed from womanzing jerks and wizned commie hunters to the young, at last.
the meaning of the prize
Translation: He's okay with devaluing the meaning of the Nobel Peace Prize if it means Barack Obama wins it.
Once again, this shows what the O-pals are all about...
Bash Bush, Bash Bush, Bash Bush.
When Bush was in office for 2 terms, we called this sort of thing Bush Derangment Syndrome. It literally infected the entire DailyKos, DemocratUnderground, ACORN-Alert, Moveon blogs, America blog, TPM, TalkLeft and Media Matters --plus the MSNBC site.
For rbottoms to try to turn fair constructive criticism of the O-Messiah's undeserved enrichment from NobelLeft into some sort of parallel whining is a stretch far outside his intellectual reach and his anatomical grasp.
Like Bugs Bunny would say: "rbottoms? Such a ma-roon."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maroon
Dumb and Dumberer: The Modern GOP
Criticize all you want. It will still be on Obama mantle won't it?
And he's till president, isn't he? As he will most likely be this time in 2013.
So complain all you want. Especially after Obama's health care agenda is signed into law, when we'll see the Birthers go into full on melt down mode. Which essentially means the GOP will continue business as usual but with extra helpings of teh crazy.
The White Hosue has finally learned there is nothing to be gained trying to placate a poltiical party that has nakedly revealed their strategy to be keep Obama from accomplishing anything no matter how good it may be for the economy, the nation's health or well being.
They are taking Fox News (aka The Republican Press Office) full on and directly responding to proposnets of such insanity as death panels, internment camps, and the latest strategy attacking the response to Swine Flu. Amazing as it seems, the GOP is fine with citizens becoming so afraid of the government that they will skip getting vaccinated against a known pandemic because they have the irrational fear that Obama and his squad of Mortal Kombat style Ghurka Assasins are just waiting to swoop in on UN black helicopters this winter.
Dumb and Dumberer: The Modern GOP.
rbottoms in full Bush Derangement Syndrome (sigh)
Wow, I haven't read that much pure rambling since Biden woke up from a snooze in the WH Situation Room and jotted down some notes... probably plagerized notes at that. What should we expect when the WH is full of tax cheats, spouse cheats, and liars. Ahh, to have the Democrats back in power and the culture of corruption in full-on power mode.
why?
Rbottoms,
If you hate conservatives and Republicans so much, why do you come to this right-of-center website and bash conservatives and Republicans?
why does "bottom boi" do it?
because, like his Messiah Obama and the O-pals, bottom boi is stuck in the campaign-past beating up Republicans, complaining about Republicans and trying to STILL use them and Bush as scapegoats for the Democrats failure(s) in leadership. It feeds their hate and that's all they got.
But logic evidenced at places like Tea Parties and Townhalls this summer show that simple streams of logic destroy the BEST arguments the Democrats have made to date...
Like with all the dithering about Afghanistan... first it was Bush's fault... then it was the need to get the strategy right or else the GOP would trash Obama on yet another failure in leadership... now it's taking the time to be consultive with experts. By gosh, I'm surprised Obama hasn't blamed his inaction on Afghanistan on the insurance industry! "Consulting with the experts" --oh yeah, that's the ticket.
Time with experts wasn't important when Obama was rushing to close the deal on the Stimulus Spending Spree... no, if we didn't pass it, unemployment might rise beyond 8%... with the Stimulus Spending Spree, no chance of a double digit unemployment rate. Where is it now? Nearly at 10%? 15-18-25% in some American cities?
Time with experts wasn't important when Obama was rushing to save GM and Chyrsler and the UAM with the Cash4Junkers program... no, if we didn't pass it, the tentative recovery that was just getting started would peter-out. Peter-out? Like in regressive sales? Like shipping billions of US greenbacks to Japan because Americans bought mostly foreign?
Time with experts wasn't important when Obama demanded a fast track for ObamaCare and the Public Option from his own Party's Congress... no, if we didn't pass ObamaCare, the economy would falter because of the burden rising health care costs had on the "recovery".
Americans know a con-job when Obama and the O-pals are selling it... the problem in Afghanistan isn't with time... the problem is with an anti-military Left in Obama's Camp that will castrate him if he revs the war engine in Afghanistan. The problem isn't taking time to consult with the experts... it's the experts & Obama that are the problem.
If you hate conservatives and
You ask why do I make sure racist crackers continue to reveal their willinginess to use racist and sexist slurs for all the world to see?
The audience I'm interested in are the folks who have heard of this site and stop by only to see the owner tolerating racisr unsukts and homephobic slurs as regular fare. I don't attack unless provoked, and I don't believe in turning the other cheek. So, please keep up the name calling, it serves my purposes just fine.
The new Republican is a myth, like the Yeti If this over the top spew is the result of Obama boing on the job less than a year I expect by 2011 the teabaggers will be stroking out at their inability to return the country back to the incompetent hands of the GOP.
Obama and his administration that will get the credit for bringing us back from the brink of a second Great Depression and the near collapse of our armed forces brought about by the worst president in history, George W. Bush.
The Nobel award has caused another mass freakout among the birthers. Their ranting will have to go to 11 now and will continue to drive the 2% swing vote away from the party of gay bashing and death panels. Please, please nominate the Moose Hunter and govenor Urkel in 2012.
Make the world safe for another four years.
better things to do?
I see, so when you write things like:
and:
and:
you do this out of some sense of strict accountability for "our side"? And you claim you don't provoke?
Why should you be disappointed that the owner tolerates " racisr unsukts [sic] and homephobic slurs as regular fare", despite the owners' very public commitment to maintaining an open and free blogging atmosphere? I don't defend the boorish comments, but this place isn't exactly Firing Line either. If it's such a cesspool of racism and homophobia, why do you even waste your time here? Don't you have anything better to do?
If it's such a cesspool of
I write software for a living. I'm on he computer 18 hours a day. Blog posting is the equivalent of taking a smoke break. Showing the rage of the real GOP to the 2% is my hobby. I didn't start on the reactive comments until one of you started calling me boy.
Never call a black man boy.
I'd complain more about the homosexual innuendo, but since I don't consider being gay a bad thing I don't have a problem with it.
I think rbottoms is trying to make the case that his life is
meaningless, empty and hollow. The manufactured rage and hate he feels here allows him to think he's actually interacting with real humans, without the need to have to face them in public or accept any consequence for his inflamatory, agitating conduct. Typing in his Mom's basement in his pjs with the pet hamster to talk for friendship is kind of pathetic.
He feels that his opinions, if not expressed in strong, confrontational language, will just be ignored like the majority of his interactions in the real world. He craves the attention here because his life is so hollow, so empty, so filled with make-believe interactions that being noticed by anyone --even people he considers his "political enemies"-- fills a narcissistic void in his life.
This thread was about the failure of the Nobel Committee to put forward a compelling case for why Obama got the award and, more importantly, how Obama could step outside his normal narcissistic perspective and do something noble with the Nobel. Most of us have commented thougthfully on the merits of those arguments.
For Obama and rbottoms, it all comes down to using any moment to meet their narcissistic needs and, unfortunately for rbottoms, that devolves down to having to agitate others to secure recognition of any sort.
That's why he's here. That's why Obama is a perpetual campaigner instead of a leader --campaigning is all about "self" and plays to his needs; leading is about the greater good and takes away from the attention on "the Obama".
I'm here because we whipped
I'm here because we whipped your behinds in November 2008, captured the White House and both houses of Congress. It's been a fun summer listing to the birthers, the tenthers, and the teabaggers all looking for some kind of miracle that will make last November go away so they can wake up and find Bobby Ewing in the shower to make it all a bad dream.
George W. Bush single handedly destroyed the conservative movement and Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and the birthers are continuing the job of making the GOP look angry and ridiculous to the 2% swing voters you so desperately need to climb back into power.
Even stipulating we'll lose seats in 2010, it won't be enough for the clown car you call a party to regain control of either the House or the Senate. So you have a full three years to come up with even more outrageous fantasies about internent camps and the usual black helicopter stuff. That is, if one of you doesn't do a full on Oklahoma City first.
We won. You lost. The existence of this site and New Majority is because the GOP is in such a state of disrepair and frantic chestbeating about what to do next.
Even better, the White House has finally realized that there is nothing can can say or do to win over the GOP. With a strategy of delay, obstruct, and vote no to any proposal Barrack Obama makes the Dems now see wasting time on placating anyone across the aisle is pointless. They also have realized that Fox News is really just the press office of the epublican party and have at last started whacking their screeching "reporters" upside the head. Rhetorically of course.
So whine about the Nobel. Dream about Obama's birth certificate. Gin up dark theories about the "Czars". It will all have about the same effect: None.
Like herding brain-stem damaged cats... stay on topic rbottoms
You've been especially truthful about your need to inflame and irritate people here, rbottoms. I think, rather than comment here, you might get more utility out of time spent on a therapist's couch helping to heal your hate.
Returning to the thread's topic, the Left --you especially-- have been complaining that the GOP are the only folks grousing about the Obama Nobel prize? Guess what? You're wrong; Democrats and liberals & Left-reading newswatchers have been adding their two cents, too.
Thomas E Mann said: "It seems so inappropriate, so premature, that it gives sustenance to critics who say he's a celebrity honored for his existence and aspirations, not for his accomplishments".
CBS News poll results asking Does Obama deserve the Nobel?
Question Results
Dude That's Weak
I don't hate anyone. I dislike your poltical philosophy and work very hard to ensure that you don't succeed in doing things like derailing health care for all. The fewer Republicans that are elected to office, the better for all concerned.
The site owner's job is to make the case for the opposite.
And since you aren't the site owner your opinion about me, how often, when or even if I post here don't mean a thing to me. That is bothers you so much is a sign that I am succeeding on at least one, repudiating and challening the GOP philosophy.
If you call me names you sound weak. If you whine about my posting you sound weak. And if you spend your time worrying about whether what I write will inflame or engorge the members of the list, well that's really weak.
Sorry rbottoms, JMountain pegged you perfectly
Several commenters here and on other blogs have noted your hate speech and bitter screeds about Bush, about Republicans and about anything else that doesn't fit your narrow, spiteful view of the world.
Anyone who takes as great a joy as you do in seemingly getting under other people's skins --and, perversely, treats it like recreation or a "smoke break"-- is, indeed, in need of many sessions on the therapist's couch.
Like other far Left trolls, rbottoms, you've spent so much time whining and complaining about Bush, bashing Bush, complaining about the GOP and bashing the GOP, whining about the War on Terror and bashing patriots who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere in the world so that you can go on typing in your Mom's basement and stealing other people's software products, the complaining has become second nature to you --you're really only happy when the emotions gained from bashing others replaces the hollow, empty feelings of your own worth and self-esteem. You not unique; it's a fairly predictable pattern for someone of your class.
Dismissing someone's fair observations of you as weak, especially with the pattern you've shown on this blog and elsewhere, is a type of protective defense which seeks superiority... in the end, you'll still be unhappy, hollow and pathetic. It'd do you more good to head upstairs and have your Mom get you a cookie and some milk... and make an appointment for the therapist --fast.
Oh, I'm devastated. The only
Oh, I'm devastated. The only thing that would make the pain go away was if the Democrats had the White House, both houses of Congress, and Al Franken were to beat Norm Coleman for Senate.
Wait a minute...
BTW, I live in California. We don't generally have basements.
Keep focusing on me. Really. It's not like you have other political problems: