Fix the Movement, fix the Party

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Two days after next week's election, top conservatives will gather at the Virginia weekend home of one of the movement's most prominent members to begin a conversation about their role in the GOP and how best to revive a party that may be out of power at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue next year. [...] "There's a sense that the Republican Party is broken, but the conservative movement is not," said this source, suggesting that it was the betrayal of some conservative principles by Bush and congressional leaders that led to the party's decline.

A political Party is just an empty vessel - a manifestation of the powers and incentives behind it..  If the Republican Party is broken, it is because the Movement is broken. 

The support system of a Movement and Party is destiny.  In the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, the Right created infrastructure designed to (1) elect Republicans in order to (2) limit government.  The Right was very successful for quite some time at (1) electing Republicans.  But they were unable to accomplish #2 - to get those elected Republicans to actually limit government.

Instead of an actual Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, the Right has created a half-assed Right Wing Conspiracy.  The Right has a problem of movement infrastructure - of ideas, agenda, strategy and especially of various communications and enforcement mechanisms.  The Republican Party just follows the incentives it is given.

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We have some reckoning to do

I agree Jon. We have to redefine how we achieve our goals. Why did government continue to grow throughout the Reagan era?

Excellent question.

The movement of the Republican Party...

...resides within its membership. If we want to revive the "movement" from within the Party, the Party has to insure its leadership accurately reflects the political asperations of its members. The easiest way to insure the leadership accurately reflects the political asperations of its members is to give the membership a VOICE and to allow it to SPEAK.

I would suggest that the Internet be applied to this task. I would also suggest the name of this new program should be called: Operation  Rednet

What the grassroot Republican membership is telling us now is that they are tired of others articulating what "their" movement is.  It's time for the leadership of the Republican Party to recognize the fact that through the Internet grassroot Republican members can create their own message, their own movement. All they need is a voice, an opportunity to speak, and a political party willing to listen.

The political goal of Operation Rednet then would be to never again allow the voice of grassroot Republicans to be left unheard before, during or after any election at any level, at any place, at any time -- especially during any primary -- never again.

Three cheers for Sarah Palin's "unapologetic appeal to resentment and victimology!"

ex animo

davidfarrar 

 

The Party and the Movement not always on same page

Jon,

The Republican Party is an entity unto itself - a collection of elected officials, staffers, local leaders, consultants, and fundraisers - which have the sole goal of electing Republicans (note that re-electing sitting Republicans tops electing new Republicans).  It does not necessarily share the goal of limiting government.  In fact, many Republicans supported by the party opposed that goal.

Likewise many in the Conservative Movement don't share the goal of electing Republicans, or at least wouldn't put it before enacting limited government policies. 

Part of the problem is that Republicans are often identified as conservative (by the media, by voter, and even by those in the movement), when they are not. 

You are right about the party following incentives - and too often Republicans have had no incentive to actually limit government.  But you must acknowledge that there is a large infrastructure outside "the movement" which has allegiance only to winning elections.

 

 

 

80% of Republicans are 80% good

But 100% of Republicans are not 100% good.  And those 20% both confuse and tarnish the brand and cause "movement confusion" as expressed in many of these comments.

I say this from the conservative perspective. We beat up the Republican officeholders far too much lately (since 2007), when in fact most have gotten the message and /or were good all along. Alas, 120-140 good conservatives in the GOP caucus of 200 and a Congress of 435, dominated by Democrats, makes for a small conservative voice these days. Rather than beat up on the GOP as a whole, we need to selectively think about how and where to advance. (eg Club for Growth strategy). I've got a congressman, who is mostly solid, but was pro-bailout, pro-pork-bills like the transportation pork bill and farm bill, etc., and seems to 'not get it' on eliminating earmarks. Do you go after him in primaries? Stop helping him? (his district is pretty safe) ... or, what? We need a maximum 'yield' from each district, where we look at how conservative it COULD be and how conservative the officeholder IS ... probably the worst in the nation is TX-17 where liberal Democrat Chet Edwards is in a solid R conservative district.

And "good" is in the eye of the beholder, as a moderate Republican like Norm Coleman may be right up the alley of a centrist-moderate- to slightly conservative voter. Coleman would be a travesty in a place like South Caroline (and Linday Graham aka Grahamnesty is a bit of one), but we'd only give ourself an Al Franken if we turned on Coleman. One could say the 'yield' on a MN senate seat is not much more than Coleman delivers, so he's a keeper. But it annoys me that NRSC will save him but not help real conservatives as much like Shaffer, Pearce and Gilmore. Then we wonder why no conservatives are in the GOP leadership - they dont get any HELP!

Likewise many in the Conservative Movement don't share the goal of electing Republicans, or at least wouldn't put it before enacting limited government policies.

This becomes a 'united we stand, divided we fall' situation. We have clear majorities of voters who support smaller govt and lower taxes over more spending and more taxes, but we get too many tax-and-spend Democrats elected to those positions without real electoral contests. Why do Democrats get a free ride? Why are they not punished for their wasteful spending? Invariably a few RINO type Republicans peeled off and it was/is hard to make conservative headway ... and that was under Hastert ... Under Democrats and Pelosi we just want votes to stop/slow down hardcore liberalism and socialism.

and too often Republicans have had no incentive to actually limit government. 

How many voters are REALLY making that their #1 voting criteria? If more did the Republicans would respond appropriately.

 

Hell, I want Chris Shays to win

and he's about on the Peggy Noonan train these days. But if you lose a swing seat, the DCCC will invest mightily to keep it in their hands. Better to groom an improvement for such incumbents and try and swap him out later than lose the seat and find it a fortress when trying to regain it. 

In my district, this cloying commercial was literally running twice an hour in prime time last night   http://www.thenextright.com/ironman/ct-democrat-uses-saccharin-overdose-to-counter-gop-charges . The Dems aren;t gonna let CT 5 swing back easily. This is the challenge we face.

We need to find a cure for high-income liberalism

in these northeast areas. Why do they want to tear down the country and the free enterprise system that has given them this prosperity? Why do they elect such POS liberal numbskulls and loonies? (Markey, Frank, Schumer, Dodd, Delauro, lots more). These high-income liberals are killing American freedom and supporting the worst politicians in America.

they got "cured" in '93 and '94

after Clinton raised their taxes they elected Whitman, Santorum, Ridge, Pataki and Rowland.

Unfortunately, we are only useful to many of these people after the folks they vote for actually keep their promise to "soak the rich". Cutting their taxes does not create gratitude.

Cutting their taxes does not create gratitude.

Cutting their taxes does not create gratitude.

That's it! Thanks, in a nutshell that is it! There needs to be a way to create a continuing coalition for a party and set of political principles. For example, many of us have 401(K)s and the Democrat threats to end their tax status would be a financial DISASTER for us beyond a tax increase. But if we fend off that, I bet 2 years later the very people the GOP would protect by laying it on the line over this issue will go back to voting for the putzes that put their livelihoods at risk.

OTOH, the DEMS manage to scare their 'dependent' class voters like old people election after election with the most bogus scare tactics. Likewise, the GOP doesnt get the african-american vote after being the party of union, ending slavery, anti-lynching laws, civil rights and even today being the true 'equal opportunity' (without racial preference quotas) party.

It's as if people are overly complacent about the threats to freedom, and overly concerned about the threats to govt goodies. 

There seems to a strange factor that high-income liberals are voting on 'cultural' or non-economic lines, but I dont get why. I mean, do high-income libs really WANT more abortions? Or consider this as the heart and soul of anti-Palin-ism? What is it that they fear? Too much Christian fervor? If so, why is that? 

Throwing out these leading questions as a way to see what sort of 'outreach' is needed to get the high-income northeast white voters back from the liberal brink and thinking and voting sanely. I'd be interested in thoughts on how to win them back.

Maybe it requires buying the New York Times and engaging in long-term re-education of a highly indoctrinated group of people/sheeple. There are some embedded cultural and worldview assumptions to overcome in order to level the playing field.

Sean Oxendine had an excellent series here on NextRight on election patterns, and one observation that struck me was his observation that the shift in urban voting patterns has gotten more partisan. that is, the Democrats have deepened their advantage there. That is a challenge and an opportunity.  I believe we can make the GOP the majority party again by going  to the deepest areas of Democrat support and working there. The Rove strategy of sticking with 'your base' in the end failed to build the majority but actually penned the GOP in.  So take my questions from that perspective: What is it that makes these voters reachable/non-reachable?

 

they REALLY like "clean""efficient" government

example of said, CT Governor Jodi Rell.  Prior example, NYC Mayor Giuliani.  I hate to dwell on stereotypes, but Texans are not perceived in the NE as concerned about these attributes; the image of "wheeler-dealer" has stuck with staid old Yankees.

There might have been an opening to use ACORN as an example of graft ridden urban machine government which Obama would reward in office but the Mac team didn't seem to focus well on it

Guiliani is a good prototype

Guiliani is a good prototype. I sure hope Guiliani runs for Gov in 2010 in NY - he can win, thanks to the fall of Spitzer and a current Governor there who is a walking talking embodiment of many of the flaws of the Democrat party - extreme on gay marriage, fiscal disaster, scandals in closet, etc. And he would of course make a very good Governor. Better than pataki, spitzer, or patterson.

I'm from the NE (before moving to texas), so I understand the yankee stereotypes of the south (in-bred hicks from deliverance etc.) as well as the reverse prejudice down here ("damnyankees" as a single word). In fact, someone should look at *where* the supporters of the wall st bailout are from. I bet the support in the south and west was quite weak.

Clean and 'efficient' - sounds like fiscal responsibility, but maybe watered down. One of Whitman (NJ) failures was that she ran against the high taxes of Florio, but then didnt roll them back. The NJ government was run by Republicans for much of the 1990s, but it was a 'business as usual' approach.

Bush, despite his harvard MBA hasnt done anything to help make Republicans or Texans seem in the 'clean' and 'efficient' mode. Yet I'd put Texas state government up against any of the lib-Dem big states and claim its superior.

The interesting upshot of your "efficient" label is that if the Republicans did recapture the 'fiscal responsibility" label, they could be more attractive to these voters. The irony here is simple: By becoming MORE conservative fiscally, we could attract some of the 'less conservative' voters who would appreciate a clear fiscal conservative brand. (This brand however is the polar opposite of the Huck trend ... )

If they hate "graft ridden urban machine government" this also begs the question of why cant we create are more healthy 2-party environment in some cities, and if not in the cities, around them, as a reaction to such bad government, which is rampant. (*)We used  to have Democrat cities and Republican suburbs, and the suburbs slowly got more and more mixed, but the cities have hardened (eg Phila and NYC). Phila is a pit. so why do the escapees from Phila go to Bucks county but bring their Dem voting habits with them? That's a problem! (And it is here in Texas and CO and mountain states too, as Cali escapees come here and vote Dem - dont these idiots get it? Cali is becoming a hellhole they escaped from precisely because liberals run amok in Sacramento have ruined the state.)

(*) I think the real failure here is of a reactive and self-centered power structure in the traditional GOP hierarchy. We are so weak in certain areas that there is either nothing or simply personality-based GOP base (eg Rudy in NYC). That is, rather than having an engaged and active base pushing to advance the ideas and the agenda, we get certain political personalities who gain power and are pushing their own advancement. As such, they have NO INTEREST in the 'losing cause' of moving the dial in an urban county from 30% to 40% GOP - that wont help any bigshot except peripherally (although it would long-term  make states like PA, IL, MI and even CA competitive for the GOP again). Ultimately we need a "GO ANYWHERE, TRY TO WIN ANY VOTE" approach.

 

 

 

I share your mystification of why people vote the way they do -

but from the other side of the fence.   My perspectitive is that of a suburban, middle income midwesterner, but as I vote similarly to urban, high income, northeasterners I guess my world view is similair enough  that I can  attempt to briefly explain it.

"There seems to a strange factor that high-income liberals are voting on 'cultural' or non-economic lines, but I dont get why."

Nobody hopes for more abortions and liberals believe in policies that have reduced the number of abortions while still providing reproductive choice for women.  I actually split from  most dems on this issue, as I wouldn't object to more restrictions, such as a smaller window for choice like first term of pregnancy only. What I don't get is  why religious conservatives don't support  easy access to contraceptives (expecting widespread practice of abstinancee until marriage followed my natural family planning seems way out of step with modern culture)

"What is it that they fear? Too much Christian fervor? If so, why is that?

This one is easy as we are a pluralistic society with many who practice other religions or no religion at all.  Separation of church and state for the benefit of both entities is a bedrock principle of our country. Obamas speaks with good insight on this issue in his call to renewal speech.

The other big cultural divide is gay marriage. As the gay guys who live on my  street are very well accepted into my quite catholic neighborhood, I don't really get conservatives objection to marriage equality. I think all unions should be civil in terms of licensed by the states, then leave it up to the churches which unions they want to bless in a religious ceremony.

What perplexes me most of all is the importance of these issues  to many conservatives  rather than something like universal healthcare, which falls within my  definition of  prolife.

They want to have a Christian theocracy

Meh. They've been trying for that for over a hundred years. Rot in hell, you bastards! (note: not actually angry. it's election day!)

can't have a bailout without taxes

until you offer an alternative, this fiscal conservative (advanced liberalism) won't be listening to you.

Good old 80/20 seems to apply often...

...in this case FT I think, unfortunately, the 20% scoundrels have a controlling stranglehold on "our" (the 80%) GOP.  Rightroots  has just gotta' take it back.  Purge the scoundrels or at least convince them to ingest a big dose of humility. 

I think once done, the Conservative Movement  needs to go into the "shop" for its 100K mile tune-up.  That's no indication that its broken.  Just a little maintenance and TLC.  Then its ready for another 100K miles of hard driving, pedal to the metal.  DD

fix the party?

The party is over; in case, anyone has failed to notice, both parties recently moved beyond the requiring the consent of the governed in virtually any activity of the Federal governement. We have entered uncharted territory.

The Republican Party Is a Waste Of Time

After Goldwater's defeat in 1964, Goldwater refused to get involved in taking over the Republican. Instead he and the conservative movement spread out across the nation, elected seveal candidates and proved that its principles were the ticket to victory at the polls.

We need to get behind conservative candidates and take our vision to the people.

The problem is that the "movement" is static

Unlike the "citizen journalists" of the blogging worlds, virrtually all of whom hold real jobs in middle America, the conservative "movement" has become an institutional bunch of full time lobbyists, policy wonks and political consultants residing within the Beltway, and consequently, demonstrates the "rent-seeking" and "career enhancement" behaviors of mature industries trying to protect a lucrative sinecure; rather than the aggressive, close to the customer, model of an entrepeneurial start-up.

We need to act a lot more like Apple and a lot less like the circa 1980's IBM.  

I totaly agree with that analogy.

The bigeest problem with the conservative movement and the Non-RINO wing of the GOP is that its business is stuck in the past.

DOWN WITH DC

The D.C. conservative establishment is a big part of the problem. These guys are stuck in the 80's living  on K street and it's really sad and pathetic. Fred  Thompson has more in common with Bob  Shrum these days than he does with the  grassroots state legislator in the heartland.

I'm a moderate Republican and have  campaigned as hard as any conservative, that said people in saratoga think differently than they do in san antonio and you have to realize that to win. Republcans have  won a lot of late so their's a lot of arrogance that you don't have to listen to the voter but that won't fly.

 

 

This J. Martin piece t hat Henke links to...

...is good for some laughs.  Who are these "top conservative leaders"? Meeting at some weekend home in Virginia.  Weekend home?  Only elitists have weekend homes.   This "who's who of conservative leaders"???  What an absolute hilarity!! An oxymoron of sorts.  There is zero leadership in the GOP!   Which is why we're in such trouble.    And then we're treated to this quote: "Should McCain lose next Tuesday, the conversation will include who to groom as the next generation of conservative leaders – a list that will feature Palin at or near the top."   So these arrogant SOB's think "they" are going to "groom" Palin?    They try that and they're liable to draw back a bloody stump.  They're the ones that need to be groomed.  Or rather pruned. 

These pompous, @%&^%$(&^!!!  They still don't get it.  Its not up to them.  Its up to the voters!  The first order of business on 11/5/08 is to purge the GOP of these Globalist, WSJ/US Chamber elitists that have hijacked "our" GOP.  Who will do that?  I'm hoping it'll be Sarah.  But, again, the jury is still out on her.   And if she's willing, how will she accomplish the task?  What should be her strategy for taking contol of the GOP?   DD

Winning Elections

"But you must acknowledge that there is a large infrastructure outside "the movement" which has allegiance only to winning elections."

If the conservative movement, within or outside of it's alignment of the Republican Party cannot establish a message that can win elections, it's as irrelevant as the Libertarian Party.

If the only reason that Republicans won elections is because Republicans strayed from the conservative movement, then perhaps the conservative movement is not a viable philosophy in this country at all.

But that's not what I think.

I think both parties try to position themselves as the right choice all the time, and employ gimmicks to win elections even when their principals are clearly out of favor. Republicans have a choice, and had choices, and that was whether to stick with their core principals and lose some elections, but win others, or to forego their core principals and run on wedge issues, fear, and smear.

Considering that a Republican President with a majority Republican Congress for most of the last 7 years has spent 7 trillion dollars more than was taken in tax revenues, it's not hard to determine which way the party went.

If Republicans stuck with a few core principals, foremost being a defense of liberty, as well as pro-business policies and small government commitment, but jettisoned some of the worst policies like those that pander to the religious right as well as the miserable failure of supply-side economics, and then they should just campaign honestly and let the chips fall where they may.

I do however guarantee that if Republicans maintain their uncompromising view of low taxes for the wealthy while either raising taxes on the working class, or borrowing to to cover spending, they will be the permanent minority party.

Obama is ahead because people like his ideas better. McCain has made his policies clear, and Americans just aren't interested, so he ignored policy and issued and focused on smear. None of that has worked. I read an article recently about Obama canvassers in Western PA, who went to a house, asked the woman who answered the door who they were planning on voting for. The women yelled back into the house, asking her husband who they were voting for. The canvasser heard the man yell back, "We're voting for the ni**er". This is anecdotal, but surely you have to see that someone who refers to black people in this way is not exactly cosmopolitan, but they still see the difference in the expected results if one or the other is elected, and in this case, economic interests outweigh respect for McCain's heroism, his experience, and even his whiteness.

How bad is the Republican message when Republicans, even in a year favoring Democrats, can't beat the most liberal, inexperienced, Democratic candidate in our history, who's also black?

More importantly, how bad is it when in trying to campaign against this candidate, the Republican party cannot take his proposals on as they exist, but actually have to create complete fabrications, as the ads that claim that Obama's plan is to raise taxes on everyone making more than $42000.00 a year.

Obama is not a socialist, but if an actual socialist were running, and the Republicans were honest about their intentions of MORE supply-side failures, I think the socialist would win.

 

 

Partial agreement

Republicans will have a lot of trouble winning elections when their arguments have become more spin than substance.  Unfortunately, Republicans have become very tactical instead of strategic.  They're just executing a successful retreat.

So it is with the "socialist" thing.  It's true that Obama endorses quite a few very collectivist, anti-market, pro-government at the expense of freedom policies.  But Republicans seem to endorse marketing tactics in return.  Instead of letting the policy wonks make policy and the spinners sell it, they've allowed the spinners to make policy and the policy wonks have to justify it.

surely you jest...

"Obama is ahead because people like his ideas better."

Get serious, pls.  You ask the average Obama supporter what his ideas are and they start him/hawing and mumbling.  They haven't a clue because they are opertating off of pure emotion.  Rational thought has been pushed completely out of the process.   DD

Not around here

tech med here. they know enough. end the war, cut taxes for us, etc.

So you do jest.

Unless you think that "end the war, cut taxes for us, etc" is anyting other than pure ignorant emotion. From what I've seen, you may in fact think that.

nah. if you must consider my issues to be ignorant emotion

you are the romantic, and not I!

 

I want us back on the moon. I want us living on Mars. My dreams are not yours, but they are still dreams.... And I know that this election is a referendum on whether America is a sane country or a very stupid one.

It's the policies, stupid!

DD says... "Get serious, pls.  You ask the average Obama supporter what his ideas are and they start him/hawing and mumbling.  They haven't a clue because they are opertating off of pure emotion.  Rational thought has been pushed completely out of the process.  "

It's been done, pollint that is, on an issue by issue, policy by policy basis, and the majority of the American people favor Obama's policies. You can call them stupid for having such opinions, in fact, if Republicans are going to stick with supply-side policy as their economic foundation, I recommend that the Republican party adopt the slogan, "Republicans, Losing Because The American People Are Stupid".

I disagree that Democrats are less in favor of freedom than Republicans, I may accept that exclusively on economic policy, where Republicans sole contribution to the advancement of freedom lies in the principal of letting rich people keep more of their money, but in every other metric, I believe that Republicans have been the decidely anti-freedom party.

As I have said before, I know my tax dollars are going to be redistributed, otherwise they would just send all of my money back to me. But the supply-side policies have simply failed, twice. Why keep banging your heads against that particular wall? Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican and supported progressive economic policies. Why can't Republicans understand that good policies are policies that work, and policies that don't work, no matter how ideologically pure, or Reaganomically voodoo, are the wrong way to go.

I want a Republican party that I can vote for, I really do, because in a few years I am going to want an alternative, and if I believe that the Republicans will come in AGAIN and lower taxes in the highest earners, cut regulation that lobbyists pay to have cut, and spend like Sarah Palin in Neiman-Marcus, then I will not vote for them. But this what Republican administrations have given us TWICE in a row, all after campaigning on smaller government, reform, changing the tone, fiscal responsiblity.

The problem isn't the media, it isn't voter information, it isn't the messaging, it isn't how the policies are spun, it's the policies themselves, they are just bad.

I don't believe that the spinners are making policy so much as the funders are buying policy, and if the Republicans are going to be able to afford to put an ad on TV, they need the money, but unfortunately, because of the policies they have committed to for those campaign dollars, their ads are pretty much limited to spinning their own policies, or lying about the other guys policies.

Let a Republican run without accepting PAC dollars or lobbyist dollars, and see how fast they run away from supply-side policies. Unfortunately, they will have primary opponents on the teat that will spend them into unconsciousness... unless Republicans can come up with a very intelligent and charismatic candidate to shake up the party. I'm thinking it won't be Sarah Palin, she'll be the one shilling for big campaign donations and calling the new right socialist, and maybe accuse them of palling around with Bill Ayers.

So exactly what is so pro-freedom about the Democrats.

They ramble on about so-called choice on the abortion issue, and favoring homosexuality and other issue dealing with sexuality but that is really about it.

They oppose choice in education.  They support and protect the failed public education monopoly with its corrupt teachers union whose only interest is protecting the jobs of all teachers no matter how bad a job their doing.  That includes the ones who have sex with their students.  They hate vouchers, charter schools, education savings accounts  and wish to stop parents from being to opt to homeschool their kids.

They oppose choice when it comes to unions.  They oppose right-to-work laws meaning you have to join a union if you get a job at unionized firm even if you don't wish to.  Now they wish to take away the secret ballot in unionization elections to allow the corrupt thugs to imtimidate their way into gettin a union where workers would vote against in a scret ballot.

They oppose choice in heatlthcare. They favor a cradle-to-grave so-called "universal" healthcare schemes that have failed miserably in other Western Democracies.  They oppose medical saving accounts, be able to shop for health insurance across state lines, and legally require insurance to have cover certain procedures and what not even if the individual in question doesn't need the coverage.

In many cases they oppose the right of business owners to make their own rules regarding their own business.  Such as in smoking bans and other anny state polices for instance.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg of anti-choice polices the so-called pro-choice Democrats support.  So really what makes them so "pro-freedom"?

the ones who have sex with their students?

I'm sorry, but that's more of a problem in the Religious Schools, if I know anything about it!

It should be easy to see who has the power in a union/corporation model -- the people who have the ability to hire and fire. Much has been written about employee intimidation.

Nanny state polices ain't democratic. they're insurance companies infiltrating the gov't. Ain't taht something the republicans favor? Socialize the risks and privatize the profits?

Pro civil rights, pro no-wiretapping, against torture, against Patriot Act -- this is what gets the libertarian west to vote democratic. if you do not understand voters, you cannot win voters.

Right they are only problem in religious schools

What exactly does the Kool-Aid you drink taste like?

kitsune flavored

check back in when you care to not exaggerate my arguments.

I want to post the roleplaying joke from somethingpositive on this subject, but can't be bothered.

So really what makes them so "pro-freedom"?

Education - Democrats don't oppose choice, they oppose a voucher system that would take limited resources from failing schools and insure they continue to fail for everyone that remained, which would be the vast majority of students.

Unions - Unions are a representation of liberty, only a true spinmeister could spin defending the right to bargain with an employer as a group as a restriction of liberty.

Healthcare - Obama favors giving people the choice of employer healthplans, with better incentives for employers to continue or improve their plans, or individuals can have the CHOICE of buying into the Federal Employees Health Benefit plan, or an equivelant plan.

Nanny state policies - You're kidding right? Republicans have been supporting and passing laws that require grown men to have a waiting period before getting a vasectomy, and a Texas law that prohibits divorce for two years if the couple does not undergo marriage crisis classes, and take a look at all the dry Republican counties across America.

But this is small stuff.

The big stuff, in my estimation, would be the Bill of Rights, and here's how that fared under Republicans...

First Amendment:

George W. Bush has shown an outright hostility to freedom of speech. In the name of combating "indecency," the FCC under Bush has raised its punitive fines to outrageous new levels, wasted money on an "investigation" of Janet Jackson’s breast, and pressured Clear Channel to drop the Howard Stern Show. Bush has applied and maintained draconian restrictions on the press in Iraq, even forbidding the photography of flag-draped caskets returning home.

Second Amendment:

Bush's Justice Department turned up the heat on enforcing unconstitutional gun laws, boasting: "Under the President’s Project Safe Neighborhoods program, federal gun crime prosecutions have increased by 68 percent over the last three years. Last year, the Department set a new record of charging 23 percent more individuals for violating federal firearms laws." The Bush administration has asked for a $95 million increase in spending on gun control programs for 2005.

Fourth Amendment::

The Patriot Act's "Sneak and Peak" provision allows the feds to come into your home, search your residence, and leave without telling you for up to six months. It has expanded the government’s powers under the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act to get warrants for wiretaps from special courts, not subject to the same oversight as typical courts. Another provision allowed the FBI to obtain library records from librarians, who had to keep their mouths shut about confrontations with officials. Within months of 9/11, law enforcers had visited nearly 10 percent of America’s libraries "seeking September 11-related information about patron reading habits."2 The Justice Department has resurrected COINTELPRO, a surveillance program that subverted groups and incited violence between political dissidents in the Vietnam era. The administration’s ultimate goal of "Total Information Awareness" flies in the face of any decent understanding of the Fourth Amendment.

Fifth Amendment:

Shortly after September 11, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and Justice Department detained more than a thousand individuals, whom Bush labeled as "terrorists" even after the Justice Department admitted the detainees had no connection to terrorism. In addition, at least dozens of Americans were detained without due process of law because of a phony "material witness" status.The Patriot Act has greatly expanded federal asset forfeiture powers, which allow the government to confiscate property without even accusing its owners of a crime. Those who "smuggle" their own money out of the country may now see it seized. The administration has worked to extend the despotic power of eminent domain.

Sixth Amendment:

Guantanamo Bay is the clearest and most troubling example of accused criminals detained without any of the benefits of an impartial trial with the due process spelled out in the Sixth Amendment. They do not receive the rights of war prisoners, nor of criminal defendants, because they fall under the makeshift category of "enemy combatant." Of course, Bush does not "accuse" these prisoners of being "enemy combatants" – because then they would have the rights of the "accused." He simply asserts they are "enemy combatants," and that settles that. The assertion that Guantanamo is constitutional because it is located outside America is ludicrous and unsettling. It is ludicrous because the U.S. has jurisdiction there, and if the government can violate your liberties by moving you outside the country, the Bill of Rights is meaningless. It’s unsettling because it is an admission that the goings on in Guantanamo are even more oppressive than the run-of-the-mill Bill of Rights violations that Americans will tolerate at home. Bush has violated the Sixth Amendment in other ways, but Guantanamo typifies his attitude toward its basic principles. The Founding Fathers would probably have an impossible time believing Bush’s flagrant disrespect for the rights of the accused. Of course, the Founding Fathers would have probably been considered terrorists, and would likely find themselves detained as "enemy combatants" for all their un-American beliefs and subversive political activism.

Ninth Amendment:

The Bush administration has abrogated the right to travel with his no-fly list, which uses the pretext of fighting terrorism to prevent political dissidents and those with names similar to those of suspects from flying. On September 11, 2001, the federal government even impeded the right to emigrate by forbidding anyone from leaving the country. His Patriot Act made it a crime to carry significant amounts of cash on a plane. While the Bush administration assaults the liberties specifically spelled out in the Bill of Rights, it also punishes those who wish to relieve their pain from cancer, improve their lives with commerce, or quietly leave the country with their savings – all unwritten, essential rights that James Madison and Thomas Jefferson would be appalled to see so routinely eviscerated in America.

Now, being a rational, fair minded individual, I can acknowlege the argument that if democrats were in charge, they may have taken the same actions. And this might be true, and also true is that if they were in charge, and they violated the Bill of rights like this, I'd have beren working my butt off to throw them out right now. But the fact is that it has been the Republicans in charge of this Constitutional evisceration, and any party that leads such an abrogation of the Constitutional responsibility of their respective offices needs to be thrown out hard.

And you complain of indoor smoking bans and an opposition to vouchers.... yeesh

Bush is the perfect Democrat

He is no conservative beyond some tax cuts and his Supreme Court nominations.  On everything else he has been a Scoop Jackson-type liberal Democrat.    Voting for him was simply against the lesser of two evils.  Just like this election (with the exception GOP ticket running mate).