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A Universal Health Care Economy
Submitted by Jon Henke on Fri, 07/03/2009 - 09:23
Paul Krugman, 2005, saying universal health care would make us more like GM...
Why should we be a country in which hard working people aren't guaranteed health care if they need it? ... But the problem is that ... our economy is starting to look more like Wal-Mart and less like General Motors in the good days. The share of workers who get benefits at all is declining and the quality of the benefits.
Wal-Mart is very profitable. GM filed for bankruptcy.
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...in the good days
Cheap shot, Jon, given the obvious meaning of the four words you chose not to highlight - "in the good days". You should be above such nonsense.
re: ...in the good days
What do you suppose led to the current days? 2005 was "the good days" for a lot of financial firms. The problems they're experiencing today were a result of the bloat of "the good days".
Jon, has someone hijacked your account?
You are typing non-responsive gibberish. And, BTW, if you follow your own link you will see that in the original Krugman talks about GM as being troubled, which just further underscores what rubbish your OP is.
re: Jon, has someone hijacked your account?
Do I really need to explain to you that the "good days" were not, in fact, good days if they were accumulating the problems that blew them up this year?
And do I really have to explain to you that in the link
And do I really have to explain to you that in the link you provide in the OP Krugman clearly states that these (meaning the year 2005) are not "good days" for GM?
re:
Yeah, the good days for GM were quite a long time ago, when they were promising out billions of dollars in benefits. This year, we discovered that those previous "good years" were not really such a good plan after all.
So you agree that something has to be done
So you agree that something has to be done about the spiraling costs in our medical system, and a system wherein one's employer is responsible for providing access to health care is nonsensical?
UHC 2009= GM 1979
All it does is set up an unsustainable cost structure that will blow up later. Promise free goods and set up future obligations attainable cash flow can't cover in the out years.
BTW, NRN, the brain trust in DC is busy working on the second GM bankruptcy
re:
I don't agree that "something has to be done". Mostly, I think we should stop trying to "do something", because those things we do tend to just push the problems around. However, I do agree that our healthy care system is pretty messed up and any tax benefit for health care should apply to anybody who buys it, not just employers.
So, the health care system is messed up but we should just leave
So, the health care system is messed up but we should just leave it be?
re:
No, I didn't say that. I would detach the tax credit from employers, lower barriers to professional entry into the health care market, and reform the FDA process.
And what will that do to extend insurance coverage
And what will that do to extend insurance coverage to the millions who currently don't have it, and to curtail the practices of the current insurances companies aimed at denying coverage to their current customers and purging their rolls of people who might need health care in the future?
Lots of things
NRNando -
Re: extending coverage: his suggestions would cut costs (making treatment more affordable) and make it easier for people to obtain portable insurance so that they don't lose coverage when they lose their jobs. Since most people who lack coverage for some portion of the year lose it because they've lost their jobs, that would do wonders right there.
Re: curtailing the denial of coverage: Bryan Caplan covered this recently at EconLog:
I'd go further than the recommendations Jon made: I would seriously cut back on mandates that turn "insurance" into insulation and make cross-state competition much more difficult -- in some cases impossible. I have a bunch of other proposals too, but those are a good start.
But I'd like to challenge your demand that everyone have insurance extended to them. That should not be considered an end in itself. Many individuals, and the country as a whole, may benefit from a lack of insurance.
I have personally avoided health insurance, though I can afford it. Instead I've managed my own risk by adopting a healthy lifestyle and building up my liquid savings. I understand that if I'm really unlucky, I could be wiped out, but life is risk and I can accept a certain low-level "risk of ruin" in exchange for the benefits.
So far I have benefited by being able to spend my money on necessities (food, rent, etc.), schooling (I chose to go to super-expensive GWU) and travel to take advantage of job opportunities instead of on mandated insurance coverage. That's a deliberate choice I made, and you can preach to me all day about how irresponsible or irrational you think my decision is, but I don't see why anyone should have to pay for the consequences of my choice except me. (I could accept paying the cost of burying me, if it comes to that.)
Some people risk their lives and limbs as part of their jobs, and they're compensated for it. Others take the same risks for fun, and accept liability. I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to do the same.
In the relatively near future, I will probably get catastrophic medical coverage. But for now, I'd prefer for people like you to stop using me and other people like me as if we were all victims here. I don't want insurance coverage to be forcibly "extended" to me either on my dime or anyone else's.
Agree with most of your post.
Encouraging cross-state competition intuitively seems a good thing. OTOH, what was the original stated purpose for restricting interstate insurance? My guess (sarcasm not intended) is that it's easy to imagine the health insurance bubble going the same way as the real estate bubble. We have an interest in limiting the number of "too big to fail" companies.
There's a wonderfully creative natural chaos when goods/services are provided several thriving small companies. This checks the government's desire to stick their finger in the pie. There are times when the government should make life difficult for businesses. But the urge to needlessly meddle becomes irresistable when dealing with very large companies. And it isn't always done with trillion dollar bailouts. Sometimes it's much more subtle than that. Wal-Mart endorsed the public option on health care.
I'm going to presume you missed this columm
since I laid out the parallel between GM and the Obama agenda in some details some time ago.
pfft.
Lower wages, and foreign manufacturing, that's the ticket.
How do we stimulate demand if we continue to advocate for lower wages now that credit doesn't work anymore?
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