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Who's got the real energy against Bailoutmania?
Today two events occurred roughly ten miles apart in suburban Connecticut outlining where people stand in their outrage over America becoming Bailout Nation.
I'm sure the MSM won't report this, but the far bigger demonstration was of fiscal conservatives , not anti-business radicals
| Hundreds protest administration's actions at village rally |
Flags-wavers, bell-ringers, some in colonial military get-up, others wearing American flags as capes: angry Americans gathered 200 to 300 strong at Ridgefield’s Ballard Park Saturday morning to vent their frustration.
“Dump Dodd now!” and “We’re not Europe!” and “It’s not your money!” they chanted.
Passing drivers honked, waved or gave them the thumbs up sign.
They came from Ridgefield, Fairfield, Bridgeport, Bethel, and other towns for what had been billed as a modern “tea party.” They carried signs: “Give me liberty, not Europe,” “Obama lies and America dies,” “Socialism is trickle-up poverty,” “Wanted: Loving families for released GITMO terrorists -- Call 1-800-I-Voted-For-Obama,” and “Support Our Troops.”
Organizer Chris Murray’s school-age son Peter carried a sign that said, “Broke before my turn.”
“I went to one in Hartford, this is twice as much,” said former Ridgefield School Board Chairman Keith Miller. “This is three or four hundred. Hartford had 150.”
While the protesters had a range of grievances, from illegal immigration to worries that the country was turning to socialism, the dominant themes seemed to be mis-spending of tax dollars, piling up debt, and the growth of government.
“If you talk to these people, most of it is fiscal irresponsibility,” Mr. Miller said. “People cannot fathom the level of debt -- for their grandchildren.”
Particular politicians were also targeted -- particularly Connecticut U.S. Senator Christopher Dodd and President Barack Obama.
“I want to dump Dodd and I want to dump Dodd and get rid of Obama as soon as it’s legally possible,” said Jamie Shafer of Wilton Road West. “I’m very worried about my country -- it’s an outrage a day.”
Now, let me remind you. This is suburban CT on a not so warm day we are talking about. We don't do protests and ginning up a crowd of any size is tough. But they showed in Ridgefield today.
And I can't remember ever hearing about Dodd being protested before.
Of course,this got national news attention. ACORN scared up a mere busload of folks to hassle the greedy--but no doubt shellshocked--AIG brass at their homes on a Saturday. How charming.
FAIRFIELD, Conn. – A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers — are paying visits to the homes of American International Group Inc. executives in Connecticut to protest tens of millions in bonuses awarded by the company.
About 40 protesters parked at a cul-de-sac Saturday afternoon and walked to the Fairfield home of Douglas Polling. They were met on the curb by two security guards, and one activist read a letter detailing the financial struggles that many Connecticut residents have faced. The group then left the note in Polling's mailbox.
Poling already turned in his bonus but of course, that didn't spare him being used as a prop for the sort of "guerrilla theatre" the Left has specialized in since the days of Saul Alinsky
We have 300 folks outraged at Dodd. They got 40 upset at AIG executives.
I like our odds
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Let's review, for just a moment, the 40 "upset at AIG execs"
With all due respect to the intent of your post, I'm absolutely outraged at the 40 who have singled out private citizens and their families, pets and neighbors to display their so-called outrage at bonuses which are a complete drop in the bucket distraction from the real money we should be following.
Looking at the slide show photos I can see the neatly stamped out signs manufactured back at the Party headquarters - The Connecticut Working Families party headquarters, that is. These are in stark contrast to the home-made, eclectic, randomly worded signs created by the Tea Party protestors, who represent true grassroots instead of paid professionals. The fact that our government allows these people to be bused into private neighborhoods to harass, point out and target private citizens represents, to me, absolutely anathema. I consider this an abuse of free speech and liberty. Irritating as it may be to those coming and going, it's acceptable for these people to protest at an AIG office. But targeting a private neighborhood where families live and children play is simply wrong and I hope it backfires on all the perpetrators - in the Congress and in the Connecticut Working Families Party.
Let's take the most egregious executive, Joseph Cassano, described by Matt Taibbi as:
Even according to his most visible accuser, Taibbi, Cassano was able to run his scam out in the open thanks to Washington's deregulation. So who's to blame here? It sounds like the protests of your 400 citizens against the administration are far more appropriate then sending shock troops over to Cassano's private home to strike terror into his wife, children and grandchildren.
I blame a United States Senator, Charles Grassley, for initiating some of this madness with his so-called "rhetoric" last week. But even more chilling was a United States Congressman's decision to deny AIG executives confidentiality even after Liddy pleads, begs really, for the safety of his employees:
What is this, the French Revolution?
Perhaps this is the new Weimar Republic, and prosperous AIG executives and their families, regardless of their roles in the economic crisis, are the new Jews? Either way, we are setting a very disturbing precedent which could lead to public mobs taking what used to be the Rule of Law into their own hands. Every single Republican who voted for retroactive, punitive tax laws creeping so close to the Bill of Attainder as to raise the issue of unconstitutionality ought to be absolutely ashamed of themselves - particularly up and coming leaders and role models like Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan. This is the type of heinous legislation that moves our Republic past Democracy, and much closer to a fascist Ochlocracy.
Note the pleasing propagandist tone with which the New York Times article communicates the intent of this mob:
Note: Working Families (just the name invokes Mom and Apple Pie) says it was formed by a coalition of community organizations, labor unions and neighborhood activists. To read the press coverage, it sounds like a charming family outing followed by a picnic lunch outside a lovely Cape Cod home complete with picket signs, hostile intimidation and the mainstream media in tow.
If charges should be brought against AIG executives, this is (or used to be) a nation of laws which will address that contingency. These union members, activists and community organizers have been given a green light by none other than our Congress to pursue their disturbing agenda against private citizens who have not been formally accused of any crime, as well as their children, wives, and others who had absolutely no role in this crisis. When American citizens are encouraged to act more shamefully against other Americans than they did toward foreign interests who attacked the country on 9/11, we really need to enforce strict term limits on all the members of Congress who supported them in doing so when we go to the polls in 2010.
My wife summed it up best
"We aren't a country of vigilantes".
Well, at least, we weren't
What bothers me about this stuff is a lot of these folks are family men and women and have school age kids at home. The execs may deserve to have their offices picketed. The families do not.
Precisely
Thank you (and your dear wife) for the good perspective. When I see how professionally these protestors operate, and I realize how easily they can be dispatched at the drop of an email, a phone call or a text message, I fear we are going to be in for a siege of similar activities unless our leaders in Congress can keep their wits about them.
Back in the days of the Soviet Union, this was referred to as "pressure from above and pressure from below". The names of the front groups have become far more pleasant than, say, CPUSA, but those old, successful tactics have not changed. Why? Because they were devastatingly successful - especially when the video is looped repeatedly through the media.
fear Anonymous, and other protests that make protesting fun.
those don't take money.... merely channeling irritation. "Give Sam his rebate" is another classic [i'm pretty sure they weren't paying the intern]
I've heard that there will shortly be topless protesters at a nuclear energy firm in Paris (or maybe it's already happened). Someone's version of a prank.
why's that, exactly? IF, and I do say IF
some of these people might be held liable for genocide on the scale of what happened in Argentina -- why should their wives and children be spared the indignity of a protest?
Did those traders in Argentina or Iceland ever get prosecuted? I dont' fucking think so!
LAWS? Foreign exchange traders have WHAT laws against creating more Zimbabwes???
I'm sorry, but perhaps I'm just not understanding. It's my understanding that, barring fraud, financial fools and their dupes like Reagan have been allowed to start a legal ponzi scheme, involving tax incentives to lure uneducated fools into the stockmarket, where their dumb money can be left holding the bag, while all the rich dudez escape for free.
Hell, I know some of those bastards! Walked away from the Madoff scam... figure they'll win their lawsuit? ;-) I do, and even if they don't, they'll have still won a lot of profit from the whole venture.
What American laws do we have against crashing the Euro? The Canadian dollar?
I'm well willing to be proven wrong.
Lookie, here , guess who Joe Cassano's political friends are!
Chris Dodd and Barack Obama!
Small Neighborhood
Ah, politics and finance - it really is such a small neighborhood, isn't it? ;-)
How do you charge someone for acting in the best interest of
the company, by blackmailing the us government???? by threatening to collapse the derivatives market, among other things?
Ironman, you're the lawyer -- is there something we CAN charge these fools for?
[disc: i'm not so much talking about the people getting their bonuses. i'm talkign about the guys up top]
Lags, people are outraged. Other people want to start riots. This does not end well. But don't look for the riots in CT. Look for them in southern california, where the situation is more dire.
Tinderkeg.
I think you do not understand mobs very well, or what starts a riot. Until you understand that there are specific people who deliberately start riots, you fail to understand the scope of the problem. Without understanding how something happens, you will panick yourself unduly.
Pressure from above and pressure from below
As I said earlier, this is a classic old school Soviet-style tactic that works excellently - especially in the age of cell phones with built in video, text messages, and willing media partners or even neutral ones like YouTube. Of course someone initiates the riot - usually a well orchestrated group of trained professionals. I didn't come up in the age of the SDS for nothing, and neither did my colleagues who are still on the Left.
Please don't assume I'm conflating any of last week's activities or agitation with socialism. Organized agitprop is what I'm on about, not ideology.
yeah, I think we're all together in our dislike of
the organized agitation. the key to everything is following the money, as it always is. who benefits, who's behind XYorZ.
then again, what do you think got many Jewish financiers interested in civil rights? ;-)
Many people are always out for their own interests.... the trouble comes when those interests are dramatically against the interests of the populace at large.
For my money, the propaganda about "buy on SALE!!!!" and "buy the cheapest" has done a LOT more to damage America than all the riots in the past eighty years...
RE: Joseph Cassano and remedies
Now if Joseph Cassano was engaged in "selective accounting" sounds like lots of AIG investors (including Ironman's elderly mom) would have really good grounds for a lawsuit against him, the firm, and perhaps now the deepest pocket, the accounting firm that signed off on this.
Oops, I forgot. The Congress years ago passed the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.
Now it's harder to bring suits about defrauding investors, and their attorneys and accountants are generally now off the hook completely
Need I tell you who was that bill's sponsor in the U.S. Senate?
Newt is wrongly revered as the great white hope of the GOP
He was the man responsible not only for instigating this legislation, he also motivated the Republican Congress to support Robert Rubin's $50B bailout of Mexico in 19956. Check out this excerpt from the 1995 National Review editorial titled "Contract With Mexico - Bailout After Devalued Peso":
To be crass, Newt is supposed to be a "playa" with business
On the other hand, corporate Democrats like Chris Dodd are like Reverend Jim Bakker. They profess to be above sin and tell others to avoid it, but are happy to throw down with any trollop that catches their fancy.
Worse of it, they do for for cold hard cash. I dunno, whaddya call a preacher who is a prostitute on the side?
Tea partiers: you're being misled
The tea parties are being promoted by those with an extremist agenda (objectivism) and by those linked to the "Kochtopus" (look it up). The GOP recently made a pro-tea party video but is apparently too ashamed by their compatriots to admit they're behind it.
And, those promoting these events are still figuring out basic things, like having a sign-up sheet or even what their supposed goal should be.
If these protests were worrying to the political class, the MSM would be printing hit pieces on them. Instead, they've largely ignored the protests. That's because they know they aren't going to have an impact.
If anyone wants to actually do something effective, go ask this question on video and upload the response to Youtube. Pressing a national politician on that or a similar question will have a far greater impact than a thousand sparsely-attended "tea parties".
I like your recommendation
The one to ask a question on video and upload it to YouTube, that is. That's a great idea! If and when I decide to be a consumer of video camera technology, I will surely take you up on that. Currently I'm doing exactly what the President asked me not to do, I am paying debts and saving money. Ah, well.
The tea parties are being promoted by a lot of conservatives and libertarians, in fact it's one of the interesting intersections between the two groups that could make for a very fruitful coalition (and about time, too, I might add). I'm familiar with the Exiled and Playboy articles suggesting astroturfing, and I also know several of the principles involved, which may make me a little more informed than you are on the topic - or not. Who knows? I'd rather drink our tea than your Playboy kool-aid any day, though. Oh wait - that anti-Koch kool-aid has been removed from the shelf - thanks in part to Megan McArdle? How sweet it is. :-)
hear, have a little mmm.... peachment tea.
;-) whoops! that's left over from the last president!
That was two Presidents ago
Correct?
nope. M peaches and other viral memes
weren't exactly somethignt hat republicans favored. too hard to control, I guess.
or maybe just required too much creativity to think of. (it's a BAD thing when you have 75% of the creative class pissed at you)