Gay Marriage: It's Complicated?

Where do you get your facts?  Verbal vomit again on this post and so many others.

The Bible does speak directly against homosexuality in 1 Corinthians 6:9:

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"

Leviticus 18:22, where there is no reference to idolatry:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"

Pretty straight forward, RisingTide.

I don't think there's enough facts about gay marriage that one could make a considered opinion about them.  Even when legalized, it doesn't look like there are enough unions to be worried about.

But this does come down to liberty vs government coercion.

I don't think God's plan is to use government coercion to force people into making the moral choice.

And here's a serious question for you.  What does government do now to support marriage?

but we still said that gay was not immoral. So, sorry. Most Jews in this country and in the world do not share your prejudices.

(and, just to remind you that the bible wasn't written for Sunday School, G-d told Adam to bugger all the animals in the Garden of Eden, so that he might name them -- I find this amusing, in that there was no sin at the time).

Most people would not agree to a traditional marrage in this day and age. Most people would be horrified at the serial adultery that was commonplace when kids were married at the age of 12, and a girl was culturally supposed to just lie back and get fucked, no matter who wanted it (be it her father in law -- very traditional that, or just Joe the Shepherd down the street).

Medieval culture was weird, but it's very important to remember that marriage was fundamentally an economic contract.

Yay america, where we actually try and stop rape from occuring.

 "And yes, gays are trying to force their lifestyle onto others, not so much as saying eveyone should be gay, but to remove any judgements or moral challenges that their lifestyles deservingly have placed on them"

I had to quote this directly because I find this argument remarkable in two ways: its honesty and its cruelty. I was raised catholic to believe in an non-judgemental forgiving God. I cannot imagine a more unforgiving God than one that promotes its followers to judge and mistreat a group pf people for a tendency they have no control over and that isn't harmful to anybody, This judgemental brand of religion is, with all due respect, one of the major causes of pain and suffering around the world and throughout history. I would much rather be gay than a heartless judgemental jerk. 

 "They are trying to alter the fundamental union that provides stability to our country, and to remove the stigmas on the gay lifestyle so it will be taught to our children in our schools amongst other things."

Another remarkable comment. Why should there be a stigma? do you actually believe that telling older children (whenever they get sex ed) that a small percentage of the population has this tendency and they chose a homosexual lifestyle, would cause straight children to become gay?????  is that the fear??? homosexuality is not a choice; people are born that way. I have many gay friends, since high school, It didnt make me gay in any imaginable way. If you want to start an honest narrative as to whether homosexuality is something people are born with or not, that would be interesting, but be honest in accepting what the evidence says.

" it wont be long until polygamy will be legal and normalized as well.  Shoot, how bout marrying children, how bout marrying animals, they should have the same proctection as real marriage"

where to start? the easy one first: of course you cant marry children and never will , since they are not legally capable of consent.  second: animals? is that a joke? hundreds of laws have been passed that extend the rights of one group to other groups without animals eventually getting included: allowing women and blacks  to vote (dont recall seeing my dog at the polls), integration of races in schools (last time I checked there was no goat in my class...well maybe once but that's another story...) women in the military...do I really need to go on? thirdly: polygamy: that's more realistic...I suppose people could challenge the traditional meaning of marriage to accommodate polygamy but not clear why allowing gays to marry would open the door to polygamy. If serial adultery, multiple marriages and divorces  didnt do it, I doubt monogamous gay marriage would.

"Human nature is doing that for us all"

but it is gay people's nature (and we agree they are human, correct?) to be gay. You must be referring to the long held myth that homosexuality is not natural. Actually is quite natural and common in the animal world (if you dont believe me, go spend some time in the lab studying the behaviours of some birds, or mice, or examine chimpanzees in the wild). It has been documented for over a thousand species...I'm pretty sure they did not learn it in school...the rate in non-human primates is similar to humans: about 10%. I should know...I have a PhD in population genetics. really. 

So stop judging and let others live their lives. You will find it refreshing not to go around judging people you dont even know, for things they dont have control over.

Gay Marriage will allow fewer kids to grow up in foster care. That is a good in of itself. Take kids out of the governmental system. (statistics show that said kids will be no more likely to be gay than the rest of the population, so take that strawman that no one else has yet raised)

Yikes!!!  So now part of your argument is that they wil raise Democratic children.  Talk about unserious.

Show my FACTS that gay marriage has any negative effect on society.

How can something be measured if it isn't allowed.  You want facts of something that hasn't existed for long in the world.