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Gay Marriage and Conservatives
Crossposted at Right Minds
In 2004, opponents of gay marriage rallied to vote for a large number of state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. In 2008, California voters voted down Proposition 8, which would have legitimized same-sex marriages in that state. Gay marriage activists were stunned and upset. It hadn’t been a good half-decade for gay marriage advocates—after years of hard work trying to build support for gay marriage, only two states (Massachusetts and Connecticut) recognized same-sex marriages at the beginning of this year.
However, it appears that perhaps their work is starting to pay off. Recently, the Iowa Supreme Court decreed that the Iowa state Constitution supported the recognition of gay unions. And the Vermont legislature passed a bill legalizing same-sex marriages.
Demographically, the situation looks encouraging for gay marriage supporters. Polls show that a majority of young people support gay marriage, and the fastest growing demographic segments mostly support gay marriage. (Of course, those things can change. A generation ago, young people seemed to spend all their time on anti-war protests and sit-ins, while now they all work in offices and vote Republican. And a generation ago, Catholics were a solidly Democratic voting bloc, while now they are more evenly split between the two parties).
These facts have generated a great deal of fuzzy logic and bad reasoning on both sides. Liberals, who tend to support gay marriage, chastise the United States for being so far behind the rest of the world on the subject of gay rights. Conservatives, on the other hand, see the advance of gay marriage as an unprecedented assault on traditional values.
Conservatives who make the latter case are partly right. Liberals who make the former case are wrong. The United States doesn’t recognize gay marriage. Neither do most countries. Great Britain doesn’t permit gay marriage. Neither do Australia, France, Portugal, Brazil, Switzerland, or any other country other than Belgium, Norway, Canada, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain. Apart from those seven countries, gay marriage isn’t recognized anywhere.
(Lending some credence to the liberal point, however, is the fact that many other countries do include a form of civil union for same-sex or unmarried opposite couples, a measure that strikes me as sensible and worth considering for the U.S.).
In fact, given that four states currently allow same-sex marriage, America is actually a bit more liberal towards same-sex couples than other countries. A gay couple living in Ohio can move to Massachusetts and get married, which is more than that a couple in England can do.
True, most states don’t recognize gay marriage, and neither does the federal government. But that doesn’t make the U.S. much different from most other countries, and the fact remains that it is easier for a gay couple to get married in America than in France.
Conservatives see gay marriage as a great threat, striking at the heart of all tradition moral norms. They see permitting gay marriages as making the institution of marriage meaningless, divorcing it from its traditional meaning, as well as from childbearing.
They are right, to an extent. But the advent of gay marriage is a symptom, not a disease. If gay marriage is recognized, then it is so because the institution of marriage is already meaningless. About fifty percent of heterosexual marriages end in divorce; cohabitation and illegitimate pregnancies are universally accepted. If marriage is supposed to be a permanent union, or supposed to exist for the purpose of providing a stable, loving home for children, then marriage as the Western world knows it has no meaning at all. Gay marriage isn’t a threat to traditional marriage—you can’t threaten something that doesn’t exist.
Conservatives can go ahead and protest gay marriage, and pass constitutional amendments and lobby state supreme courts all they want to. But their efforts will be in vain unless American (and Western) society returns to a more traditional view of marriage, in which marriage is viewed as permanent and the only acceptable way to raise a family. Until then, trying to fight gay marriage is, in the long run pointless.
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How is this a generalize "Get off my lawn" rant about the evils of modernity. The times they are a changin', right? This essay seems more befitting an overtly religious website as opposed to an overly political one. Or am I in the minority that thinking that legal does not necessarily equal moral?
what an unmitigated piece of
what an unmitigated piece of crap. i want the 5 minutes of my life this article wasted back.
the worst EVIL towards traditional marriages is
AGE OF CONSENT LAWS.
Traditional marriage occurred at nearabouts the age of 13, when children were not considered old enough to decide who to marry. Often, a woman was first raped by her father-in-law, or by "kissing cousins", and adultery was rampant (teens will be teens).
Those who long for traditional marriage back, really ought to understand that traditional marriage in a time when women were expected to lay back and spread, meant that a woman would be thrown out of her house if she could not bear children.
You do remember Catherine of Aragon, right?
Traditional marriage was a barbaric ritual that involved stealing women from their families, in a sort of "capture marriage" style. At least, that's the way it worked around here. There's a reason the Quakers kicked the Republican Scotch Irish out, ya know? They wouldn't stop stealing women...
I look forward to the GOP crusade against divorce
As part of its "traditional marriage is sacred" push, I look forward to the GOP crusade against divorce. Led, no doubt, by Newt Gingrich, inspired by Saint Ronnie, and cheered on by Rush Limbaugh.
Oops. 6 divorces among them.
Maybe traditional marriage isn't all that sacred....
John McCain, the party's leader
who divorced his wife while she was still in the hospital, after carrying out an affair with someone years upon years younger than himself.
Nancy Reagan still hasn't forgiven him for it, you know.
well, it is a conundrum for socons
the problem is, the best reason to be against gay marriage is because it involves illegal behavior or is a mental illness. As of now, gay sex is legal and the APA considers homosexuality to be a normal variant of humanity.
With those two reasons taken away, what's a socon to do? All they have left is it's against their religion. And/or the thought of gay marriage is disgusting. Unfortunately, neither of those are relevant in a pluralistic society. I think it's immoral to teach children they are all doomed to a fiery pit of hell unless they get an old man in the sky to forgive them. But that doesn't mean I should be able to shut down churches. I think fat people having sex is disgusting but that doesn't mean I should be able to take marriage away from them. Revel in the wonder of pluralism. You don't get your quirky beliefs taken away from you as long as you tolerate other people's quirky beliefs. A thing of beauty.
Gay people do our hair, change our tires, attend our PTA meetings, and fight our wars. They aren't going to disappear if marriage isn't allowed. What I would ask all marriage equality opponents is, since gay people aren't going anywhere, do you want us invested in our communities or not?
not all religions believe in original sin.
just sayin'
not all people are gay either
so.....
and thank G-d for that!
n/t
How will you prove that traditional marriage...
Is the only acceptable way to raise a family?
As well, doesn't that limit the freedom of one to raise a child as he sees fit?