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Hawaii's Chilling Preview of Health Care Mandates
Promoted by Matt Moon: Bob Carroll of the Tax Foundation explains McCain's health credit better than McCain does in today's WSJ. Health care is one of those issues that the next conservative movement must provide new ideas for.
As the election hoopla crescendos, Hawaii is giving the rest of us a little preview of what health care mandates could do in the next presidency.
Barack Obama's only mandate is that all children have health insurance. Hawaii tried to accomplish this through its government, and sadly, revealed the problems.
Grace-Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, writes in the New York Post:
"Hawaii just had a vivid lesson in health-care economics, learning that if you offer people insurance for free - surprise, surprise - they'll quickly drop other coverage to enroll.
"As a result, Hawaii is ending the only state universal child health-care program in the country after just seven months.
"The program, called the Keiki (Child) Care Plan, was designed to provide coverage to children whose parents can't afford private insurance but who make too much to qualify for other public programs (such as Medicaid and Hawaii's State Children's Health Insurance Program). Keiki Care was free for these gap kids, except for a $7 office-visit fee.
"But then state officials found that families were dropping private coverage to enroll their children in the plan. 'People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,' said Dr. Kenny Fink of Hawaii's Department of Human Services."
A lesson in human nature and government we can't soon forget.
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interesting
it would be interesting to see how that compared to Romney's plan, although from reading the WSJ, I believe his plan was more like Hillary's.
The truth is, a large majority of people think it is shameful that so many children in this country do not have health insurance, and the democrats seem to be the only ones actively taken on what is an enormous problem. I would rather see a more market based solution, but as you wrote above, the WSJ articulates McCain's plan better than the candidate himself. Healthcare does not seem to be a priority for Republicans, and until they make it one the Dems will continue to win on this issue. The most glaring part of this discussion in my opinion was during the VP debate when Biden said something like "tax your 5,000 benefits to cover 12,000 in costs and that's the ultimate bridge to nowhere" and Palin didnt even respond. Either because she wasn't briefed on his policy or (more likely) was told to stick to her talking points, but that moment just illustrated how McCain and co. have allowed Obama and all Dems to attack their position on healthcare without putting up a fight or explaining to the Americans why the Republican plan is better.
Change isn't easy, and if people can get something for free or at a low cost they will. It will take a serious discussion from a leading Republican to detail, for numerous scenarios (singles, couples, children, middle class, welfare, etc) why their plan makes more sense. I don't think that will happen anytime soon.
Another lesson from Hawaii
Why are so many willing to change policies? Perhaps free is just too good a price, but even with that they can't be too happy with their existing coverage's cost/benefit value equation.
If Hawaiian parents are rationale economic actors, there may be more than 1 lesson to learn here.
Universal care costs $$$$
The next time you start thinking "now here's a plan that will work" - don't. We learned that get rich schemes are about as truthful as being sold ocean front property in Kansas. And that's what universal care is without socialism. The only way to fund a universal plan is to involve the government and well, they are mostly thieves.
Compulsory taxes to ensure all folks are insured means you need to first get rid of the private market - because as this exercise proves, people generally want want want what they can get for free- even if what they think is free really means they are taxed to death for it.
All you need to know...
As I taught my class today (for the umpteenth time), health care reform is a cultural and political problem, not one of medicine and economics. In reality, the type of health care system in a country (assuming at least basic and essential care) has little to do with the majority of health care needs. It only really affects the margins. That's why all the stats about health outcomes being equal despite the U.S. paying double. We pay so much for convenience and marginally beneficial end-of-life care - something other systems have forgone. I doubt that our American fast-food and litigious culture would stand for waiting 3 months for an MRI instead of 24 hours. Watching grandma waiting in pain 18 months for a hip replacement. We just aren't wired that way.
Does everyone remember the outrage in the early- to mid-90's directed at the evil HMOs? Denying care? Not paying for certain drugs? Gatekeepers? Rationing? What happened? Politicians made hay demonizing HMOs and these practices.Well, what do you think Canad/Euro universal health care is?! Not to mention minimal malpractice lawsuits with loser pays rules. The only thing that makes their systems feasible is that they free-ride on our Defense Dept. and pharmaceutical industry's R&D. We don't have that luxury.
Government-run health care works, only if the society agrees that they are willing to accept standard treatments (as opposed to cutting edge) that are adequate for 90% of cases, relatively long wait times for all but routine care, and high taxes. Canada and Europe have decided that that is OK, and they are satisfied.
This is why I say that if you want to reform health care, you'll have to reform the culture first in order to make it work - regardless if a Can/Euro system or free-market system is instituted. Much like when a large company completely changes their computer system. They don't just install it one day and tell everyone to use it. There is a training and learning curve that needs to be overcome. Now imagine trying to do this with 305 million people of varying degrees of ability.
Politically, the Can/Euro system is the most politically viable for a few reasons:
Take home to tell everyone with whom you have this health care debate: Health care reform is a cultural and political problem, not one of medicine and economics.
Universal Healthcare
Market based colutions don't work in healthcare. How do we know that? Because the US continues to persist with an inefficient and expensive healthcare system to deliver the worst outcomes in the OECD. The Canadian system experiences long wait times not because of rationing but because of a shortage of healthcare professionals. The British, Japanese and French systems are way better than the US will see for some time. Where universal healthcare - single-payer works best is in early life stages 0-18. The non-US OECD countries deliver better outcomes because during this stage their coverage is absolutely first rate. A healthy childhood makes for a healthy adulthood. Healthcare is not simply expensive medicines and gee hiz surgery, which BTW every country does these days, not just the US. Take India for instance, where the volume and quality of heart surgeries exceeds the standards at several US hospitals, or where the quality of eyecare at a place like Arvind Eye Hospital (check the Harvard Business Case Study) or Sankara Nethralaya is comparable if not better than that at US hospitals. That other oft trotted argument about the US investing in research won't fly because for one thing other countries too spend money on research, and secondly they don't steal the fruits of US research they license it - international patent order you see.
Market-based solutions work, when they are permitted.
Perpetuating the canard that "market-based solutions" don't work in health care by siting the U.S. system is a fallacy (usually perpetuated by government control advocates). The U.S. does not have a market-based health care system, and hasn't for about 70 years, which is why, along with cultural reasons, expenditures are so high.
Actually, "market-based solutions" work perfectly in health care (e.g. Lasik surgery); unfortunately, almost none exist in the U.S. due to the overregulation and government involvement (Medicare, Medicaid). Even the competition aspects of Medicare Part D have brought down premiums ~40% from expected since 2006.
To state that Canada has long wait times "not because of rationing but because of a shortage of healthcare professionals" is to not understand rationing. A shortage of "healthcare professionals" is one way in which they ration. Plus, why do you think they have such a shortage? Wage controls, maybe? The market response to a shortage would be to increase wages to draw more professionals, but they couldn't due that because it would increase costs -- i.e. rationing.
Children ages 0-18 are the cheapest to cover because they are relatively healthy other than accidents. So any universal system (single-payer or not) will receive the same benefits. The problem becomes teenage pregnancy rates and prenantal care -- of which these girls do not adequately avail themselves even when it's free (cultural) -- which creates a vicious cycle that includes government dependency.
Indian heart surgeries and eyecare is comparable if not better than that at US hospitals and cheaper! Hence, the advent of medical tourism -- a market-based solution -- whereby "people who live in one country travel to another country to receive medical, dental and surgical care while at the same time receiving equal to or greater care than they would have in their own country, and are traveling for medical care because of affordability, better access to care or a higher level of quality of care."
This is what licensing instead of patent protection (a market-based solution) has wrought in Europe:
So you see, market-based solutions work perfectly in health care, when they are permitted.
Evaluative criteria?
Joe C:
When you say that a purely market-based approach to health care 'works perfectly', do you mean just in those cases where that's what we have (like lasik), or are you making the stronger claim that it would work perfectly for all patient populations?
Also, when you say it works perfectly, which criteria do you have in mind when making that assessment?
Last, if it's not too much trouble, which criteria do you leave out that others would count as relevant, particularly those who don't share your view that a market system works perfectly?
Big questions, I know, but maybe ones that can be answered briefly if you omit elaboration or justification. Thanks.
DKE, I'll try.
First of all, I am assuming that you have given me the time to acculturate society to the new system, including the legislation changes it would require (i.e. FDA, tort, tax, and state reforms). This goes to my thesis that health care reform is a cultural and political problem rather than a medical or economic one. Tax equality alone for individual and employer-based coverage would go a long way.
When I say "perfectly," I mean "as expected" -- i.e. as well as any heavily regulated and litigated specialized service market can (within given constraints); nothing is truly perfect. It could, however, be done as cheaply as a universal single-payer system but with more choices. Some large multistate private insurers overhead (10-15%) approach that of single-payer coverage providers (5-8%). The extreme overheads you always hear about 35% for private insurers is for small firms; the 2-3% by Medicare excludes administrative costs that are allocated to other governmental agencies as well as regulatory compliance and patient services with which CMS doesn't have to contend.
The usual outcomes measures - life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. - do not have as much to do with the type of system and money as you may think. My criteria is one of value (quality divided by cost) as determined by evidence-based classical economic evaluations (i.e. cost-effectiveness, cost-benefit, cost-utility). The first things to fall out would be expensive treatments (especially drugs) of marginal effectiveness and/or benefit (think production vs. concept cars). They would become rare as they wouldn't survive except as research until they became economically viable. This takes more elaboration as this is the crux of the model, but you can think of it as superior (or normal) and inferior goods in Econ 101.
Just eliminating the dead-weight loss from government passthroughs and redundant regulation by eliminating state-centered insurance regulation would significantly decrease the cost of care. Imagine if the ~$600 billion that is spent just on Medicare and Medicaid each year was directed to a private system. That $600 billion immediately becomes $840 billion just by eliminating the estimated 40% dead-weight loss of government. I suppose dead-weight loss and redundancy in the private sector is the criteria that I am leaving out if I understand your question right.
As for all populations, I believe that certain special population pools would need to be created for service-intensive patients such as the the severely mentally retarded, some catastrophic diseases, and some basic safety net coverage. This could be done through a consortium of secondary insurers, but would be something that would be appropriate for some governmental funding.
Incidentally, I believe that basic and essential health care should be a right; and I am for a universal system as long as the government has next to nothing to do with it. There would be two exceptions:
These are appropriate governmental functions.
I tried to answer your questions briefly yet fully without elaboration. If you have further questions, or maybe I didn't answer your questions by way of misinterpretation, let me know. Health care reform is my area of interest, so I am more than willing to educate or be educated on the topic.
Thanks, Joe C.
Thanks for your considered reply. I think I get the essentials of your take on the issue. It does raise a number of follow-up questions, but I'll hold off for now in this forum. You mentioned in your first post that you teach. I'm guessing at the college level. If you've published on this, I'd be curious to read your work.
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Re:Hawaii's Chilling Preview of Health Care Mandates
Keiki care plan is a wonderful plan which looks after the children whose parents are in an average position economically.
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One question
Isn't a usual argument that national health care would be much worse as far as response time and quality of service? If that's the case, why would people drop their private insurance? Is it that private insurance isn't providing equal to what people think their service is actually worth?
Additionally, I'm surprised Hawaii didn't put a cap on the free health care.. ie only allow parents making under a certain amount to be able to enroll in this program.
medical health insurance compaines
We have all gone through terible times courtsey medical health insurance compaines. Let me add my experience. 3 years ago I applied for medical health insurance with a company and they assured me that if for 3 years I do not come up with any medical claims or I am not hospitalized for an illness I shall be entitled to a free medical check worth and 'xyz' amount.
This year on May 31st when I renewed my medical insurance with the same company for the 3rd year means one year remaning for the bonus or free medical check I receive a notice that now the company has amended the rule to 4 years on the same terms.
Crocks these people are so selfish and make and bend rules as per their conveince. They are completely corrupt. Health care compliance is something that these companies do not follow but want their customers to follow.
I am filing a lawsuit
I also wanted to know that if I am filing a lawsuit against the health insurance company is there any way I can apply for a lawsuit loan.
How will I receive lawsuit funding and when do I have to repay it. I contacted my health insurance company and they say sir this is a decision made by the top brass they cannot help.
Healthcare costs can be
Healthcare costs can be astronomical, especially for those of retirement age. And upon retiring, you’ll face not having employer-provided health coverage and suddenly be relying on Medicare, which doesn’t cover everything. Many Americans must navigate COBRA benefit rules and regulations following job losses or retirement. COBRA benefits allow former employer-based group health insurance coverage to be retained for several months following job separation. But the benefits are expensive as the employer no longer pays any portion of the premium, and it can also be very difficult to keep Texas health insurance
Health care insurance are the
Health care insurance are the best way to keep you healthy atcritical times and also to keep your mind heralthy by keeping the health stress away.
We all should possess a health insure to became free from the tension about our health, it doesn't matter about your age. From a child to an old aged must have health insurance for the better health care.
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That is not the reason for this bill.
That is not the reason for this bill. The reason is to control 1/6 of the economy -- i.e. economic terrorism by health care -- and to secure a free rider voting bloc. Coverage for the "needy" and "less fortunate" could be accomplished much simpler and cheaper with measures that the leftists refuse to entertain exactly because this bill is not about access, affordability, and quality.
Purest Baloney...Tell someone what they want to hear...
And they eat it up with a silver spoon. The plan that ended did not end healthcare for all of Hawaii's children. Happily there is still universal healthcare for all in Hawaii,.Adult or child. Everyone can choose between several healthcare providers who compete, like Kaiser, HMSA, and Alohacare. At the same time, private medicine is still very profitable. Private insurers are making massive profit on denying peoples benifits. Only in Hawaii, if your private insurer denies you because you made a mistake on your paperwork, or they call your condition "pre-existing" , or whatever reason, you can switch to universal coverage and still get treated. A good friend of mine was denied treatment for his cancer. They said that he had made a mistake on a form, and his policy was cancelled as soon as he filed a claim. He is just finishing up radiation and chemo and his cancer seems to be gone. In Hawaii, there is very little opposition to universal coverage, even from the extreme right. Once it saves a loved ones life its hard to maintain such opposition.
You will never see a truthfull story about public healthcare from America's corporate controlled media, they have a vested interest in opposing it. Before you believe any story about Hawaii, talk to \someone who lives here, Almost everything you see in the media about Hawaii is lies. From Dog the bailbondsman-phony-bounty hunter who sets felons free, so that the police have to keep re-arresting the same criminals, to gay marriage, which never happened in Hawaii eeven though the media paniced the country with stories about gays getting married here.
The truth is out there, but have to look for it. If someone is telling you what you wnt to believe it is probably a lie.
Just ask anyone who lives in Hawaii, they will tell you the truth. All children and adults are still covered under Hawaii's universal healthcare program.