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Good-old-fashion hypocrisy
Patrick's post on the main site basically urging the right not to attack Obama on the Blagojovich scandal has kicked up a lot of comments from, quite frankly, good-old-fashioned hypocrits.
Now, to use a favorite phrase of the President Elect's, let me be clear. I've got no problem--personally--with honest progressives who recognize the fact that what's good for me and what's good for thee are the same. I don't think every Progressive is a shallow-thinking political hack and I have no problem being civil over an honest disagreement. What I cannot stand is faux moderates, faux bipartisans and others who were happy to pile onto Bush and the Republicans in congress but quite frankly feel it is their place to wine when a blog concerned with strategy and tactics suggests...strategy and tactics. According to such people, Bush deserves every sneering snide criticism, every deeply personal insult, every single disgusting Nazi comparison, but to even intimate that someone connected to Obama might have known something about Blago's corruption, or argue that Obama has been too passive in his dealings with the dirty governor, is tantamount to treason.
Are you serious? Can you possibly even equate these teppid criticisms with the "general Betray us" add from MoveOn, the constant invocation of Hitler in relation to Bush, the visit of Democrat congressman James McDermott of Washington to Saddam's Iraq just before the war where he publically gave aid and comfort to a man which the previous Democratic president slated for regime change? Can Ruffini's argument that attacking congress is a better tactical idea than attacking Obama possibly be in the same league as Don Fouler's chortling comment that Hurricane Gustav was going to hurt the Republicans over their convention? Is this the honest opinion of even a tiny fragment of the internet-reading public?
Obviously there are lines which should not be crossed, and people on both sides cross them. Like some conservatives, I think Anne Coulter's comments very frequently cross the line into abhorrent (racial slurs on Arabs, homosexual slurs on John Edwards and claims that the Democratic party since the fifties has been "functionally treasonable" are examples), and Jerry Fallwell comparing Hillary Clinton to Lucifer was equally beyond the pale. I think the Obama birth certificate issue is a non-issue and an embarrassing distraction from things which actually matter, and claims that he's a Muslim are justproposterus. It's not that I'm reticent to criticize people on the right who go too far. It's not even that I disagree with a general comment made on the thread that "we win when we're on offense" and not when we're negative. But politics is a rough game in this country, it's always been a rough game, and trying to weaken the other guy's hold on the government is what an opposition does. There are exceptions certainly, there are attacks which are beyond the pale, but Patrick's isn't one of them, and arguing that it is shows a basic lack of mateurity on the part of hypocrits who can dish it out but can't take it. Or put another way; wouldn't a claim that investigating Jack Abramof and any potential ties he had to the Bush administration was unpatriotic have been laughable? So why isn't this equally ludicrous claim that even discussing how the Blagojovich scandal might be used by the GOP doesn't put the country first being laughed off? Did the Democrats use the Abramof scandal? Yep. Was it unpatriotic? Nope. Would it be unpatriotic for the Republicans to use the Blagojovich scandal? Nope. The answer, of course, whether one is Republican or Democrat, is to not pull these corrupt stunts in the first place; it is corrupt officials, not those of the opposition from either party who use their mistakes against them, who are "revolting" "unpatriotic" "more of the same" and, my personal favorite, "don't give a damn about the country".
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We are the libertarian left. And we can disagree with your
tactics.
Here, I think the best thing to be taken from the comments is that many people on the left consider transparency to be a virtue. Thank Open Source for that one! Finding a way to get the geeks on your side will be good for your electoral health, I am sure.
They were upset that you were taking a virtue and perverting it for the cause of getting more Republicans elected.
I understand that this site is theoretically only for republicans *snerk*, and that you feel like discussing how transparency would help Republicans is quite appropriate. However, it would appear that a considerable number of your readership disagrees.
Food for thought. I think you will get more converts and more listeners by soft-toeing the partisan angle to this particular legislation. eg. "And would it be so strange if this helped us chase out a few corrupt democrats like Jack Murtha?" [anyone who knows Murtha knows that he is both honorable and corrupt. anyone who wants to say that Murtha is not corrupt needs the word ABSCAM thrown at them ten times straight]
can you give some cites for your third paragraph?
I want context!
Number one Rule here at TNR...
ex animo
davidfarrar
The Libertarian Left...
Um, the left favors redistribution of wealth and massive government expansion; how is that even vaguely Libertarian? If it's pure social liberalism that's Libertine, not Libertarian.
So...were there no Democrat sites discussing how they were gonna profit off the Abramof scandal? I'd imagine it was the topic of most of them when the scandal broke. You can disagree with the tactics of the GOP if you attack the same tactics when the Democrats use them. How hard is that?
As for citations:
1. Anne Coulter's first two comments (the slurs) came from speeches at CPAC unfortunately; it's regretable she didn't get the booing she deserved, but there are stupid people on the right too. The birth certificate and Muslim things are all over.
2. If you're looking for citations on the Don Fouler hurricane thing, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrBus8ORR78
This is somehow comparable to Ruffini's discussion of a more restrained attack on the Blago scandal? I can find citations on other stuff if you tell me what you're looking for.
the definition of Libertarian is
"the least amount of government possible"
I remember the lesson of 1840. Pyrimidal societies fail at a rather high rate, and America is turning into one -- why do you think middle class starts at $250,000 and goes up from there?
As for myself...
my opinion is that the American people deserve a bit less of being gamed on.
Apparently, you disagree; which inclines me to believe you a fool and a wretch.